Tuesday, April 10, 2007

Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) - Part 2 contd


Tuesday, February 20, 2007
Re: Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) - Part 2 Contd.
In continuation of part 2:
8- Was Muhammad a pedophile?
The following is an email sent to me by brother Amir Abdul Rahim; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
From: [ref]
To: [ref]Subject: Was Muhammad a child molester? Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:37:17 +0000 (GMT)
Assalamu Alaikum Wr Wb
The discussion of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha has recently come up on a muslim message board, with the usual cries of 'Muhammad was a pedophile' coming from the usual anti-Islam lobby.
In order to answer this filthy slander, I went to a police website detailing the traits of a pedophile, and this is what I came up with. It seems that, even by today's standards, Muhammad could not be considered a pedophile.
Please feel free to use or edit this text in any way you like
Okay, lets have a look at the psyche of a typical pedophile, and see how much of it fits Muhammad shall we? Quoted text is taken from Understanding the Pedophile Psyche, courtesy of the Police Federation of England & Wales:
http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm
"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."
As well as being married to Aisha, he was also married to many other women during his life. He wasn't certainly suffering from low self-esteem. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."
As has been mentioned before, Muhammad waited for at least two years before consummating the marriage. Therefore, this point of 'lack of self control' does not apply to Muhammad. Also, fasting during Ramadan requires abstention from sexual relations. Why would Muhammad practise this if he had no self-control?
"Denial. Many pedophiles deny there is anything wrong with having sexual relations with children and many will in due course paradoxically deny having carried out such practices should they be confronted. It is vital to change the attitudes of such individuals much as in the lack of empathy with their victim."
Muhammad never once denied having sex with his wife. Also note the use of the term 'victim'. Aisha could not be described as a victim. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
"History of previous pedophile activity. Many pedophiles have carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children. It is vital here to promote alternative habits i.e. in attitudes and demeanor of sexual behaviour with adults."
Muhammad has no history of pedophile activity whatsoever. Also, as I pointed out, all of Muhammad's other wives were adult, and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children. Therefore, this doesn't apply to Muhammad.
"Poor family relationships - many pedophiles have come from families that are in chaos or are lacking in stability. This has led them to view sexual behaviour with children rather than adults as acceptable especially if this has been practised upon them by a member of the family in the past. Although it is difficult to reverse what has happened in the past through discussion or attitude changes it is vital that insight must be gained by the individual into how his/her pedophile activity originated and was developed through the family dynamics."
Although he was orphaned at a young age, Muhammad was always very close to all his family members, and advocated that whosoever cuts the bond of kith and kin, he/she would be denied paradise. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
"Low IQ - there are pedophiles who have low intelligence but by no means all are in this category. Where this is the case appropriate therapeutic efforts must be made to develop understanding of what they are doing wrong and what they must do to change."
Despite being illiterate, Muhammad had a reputation for being a very bright young boy, an excellent trader, and an extremely wise man. Therefore, this point does not apply to Muhammad.
"Loneliness, depression and relationship needs - this particular trait is associated with low self-esteem and lack of empathy with the victim. Many pedophiles are lonely individuals who live on their own and have found it difficult to establish relationships with adults, especially for sexual purposes. Some suffer from psychological problems and even psychotic illnesses. Here intensive treatment and monitoring is in order."
Muhammad wasn't suffering from depression when he married Aisha. Also, low self-esteem, loneliness, and difficulty to establish relations could not be attributed to Muhammad.
"Having been themselves sexually abused - many pedophiles have themselves been sexually abused in the past by adults. They merely imitate what they experienced and continue their activity considering it as appropriate since it was done to them."
This certainly isn't true.
I have demonstrated that, despite the fact Muhammad married a nine-year old girl, he could NOT be considered a pedophile.
My response:
Widely accepted definition of pedophile is as below.
Pedophile • pedo-sexuality is the condition of being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent children. The ICD-10 (F65.4) alternately defines it as "a sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of pre-pubertal or early pubertal age." Remember, Mo loved ayesha at 6 and bonked at 9 (she didn’t reach puberty then; even if she did, Mo bonked her just after that)
Now, coming back to you, Ajmal. Guess what, your link is dead. You got this from answering-christianity and never even read the article, did you? That's why you don't know the article doesn't even exist. How credible is that? No wonder, you people are brain-dead zombies and you copy-paste from AUTHENTIC ISLMIC SITES (read CRAP SITES). Where are you muneer? Your authentic sites are proven crap one more time. You brain washed mulsims never use your own brains and keep on repeating lies on you crap sites and copy-paste on other sites like this. Go, get some brain, you true muslims.Anyway, why don't you try the American Psychiatrist Association's definition of pedophilia? The APA is the WORLD AUTHORITY on the subject, not some police magazine article that doesn't exist (according to your dead link). Are the police experts on pedophilia? I don't think so. For that you really need a psychiatric expert and there is no better than the APA. It is neither Anti-islamic site nor Christian hate mongering site.Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia 1. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). 2. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty. 3. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A. Does Pedo MO meet all these criteria? 1. Yes - Muhammad had sexual relations with a pre-pubescent girl for a prolonged period. Also, don’t forget that pedo MO dreamed of ayesha when she was an infant. 2. Yes - Muhammad had acted on his sexual urges • as demonstrated by Tabari IX:131 and various Bukhari hadiths (stating consummation at age nine when it has been established that Aisha didn’t reach puberty). 3. Yes - Muhammad was 54 years old when Aisha was only 9 years old, which means he was 45 years older than ayesha, when he bonked her. Therefore, even according to the strict clinical definition of DSM-IV-TR it can be proven that MO was a pedophile. http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:Uk0UtOlo-3MJ:www.psych.org/news_room/press_releases/diagnosticcriteriapedophilia.pdf+apa+dsm-IV+pedophilia&hl=en Note how my link works - not your made-up non-existent link. Next time you present copy-paste evidence from a crap Islamic site, I suggest you to check if your 'so-called' evidence is real or not. Try googling that article you referred and you'll find it doesn't exist, it only exists in crap Islamist sites. Whom you muslims are lying to? It only suggests that you Muslims like to lie and delude yourselves. If you want to use a legal definition of pedophilia you could do worse than use this: www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/pedophile.html
This link says:
1)A pedophile may be a trustworthy and respectable adult in the community, who shows no outward signs of their condition to others.
2)There is no definitive profile of a pedophile, as individual characteristics can vary significantly.
3)A pedophile will typically not stop their behavior on their own, will not turn themselves in and will not take responsibility for or acknowledge their own wrongdoing
4)A pedophile may derive satisfaction from children in a number of ways: some stop at looking, others take pictures and watch children, and still others require more contact to satisfy their desires.
Do you need more proofs? It is crystal clear that HOLY MO was a pedophile and you muslims are blind followers of such a lecher MO.
Shame on you perverts.
9- The life span 1400 years ago was short:
The following is an email that was sent to me by sister Janet, who recently embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her.
From: JnMil3@aol.comTo: truthspeaks@answering-christianity.comSubject: Article on marriage of Aysha (saws) to prophet Muhammad (saws)Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:59:10 EST
Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,
Thank you for your informative article on the marriage of Aysha, peace be upon her, to prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. I don't think I'm yet finished with this article, as I clicked on a topic.
Did you also research the average life span 1400 years ago in the Middle East? The gypsy, or romany people, of Indian descent who now for the most part occupy eastern Europe, arrange their children in marriage. They arrange the children @ the age of 9 to be engaged for 3 or 4 years before they are married. The only ground for divorce in their culture is failure to conceive a child within a year of marriage (what an irony-- largely illiterate people recognize the American Medical Association's definition of infertility and divorce, while 'educated' people in the west pursue various infertility 'treatments' for years w/o end). Also, compared to Europeans, the average life span of the Romany is around 45, compared with those life spans in the 60's and 70's, so when their children are married, their lives are about 1/3 over.
Thanks again for this article, which I found looking up Aysha on a searchnet. I am a new Muslimah in the U.S., by the way.
Allah hafiz,Sister Janet
An addition by me, Osama Abdallah:
Life 1400 years ago was very rough in the too hot desert. From my personal knowledge, the average life span back then was 50 years. People used to die from all kinds of diseases. Both parents of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him for instance, died natural deaths before he even knew them. His father, Abdallah bin Hashem, died while Amina bint Wahb (Amy in English as Mary for Mariam), Muhammad's mother was still pregnant with Muhammad. After she gave birth, she died when he was 2 years old (I believe). Muhammad was the only child of his parents.
Muhammad was raised by his mother's female servant, Saadiyyah, and by his uncle (father's brother) Abu Talib, who later stood up for him and protected him when Muhammad declared to be Allah Almighty's Messenger at the age of 40.
My response:
What is the point here, I don’t understand? The life span may be short due to many factors like diseases, wars, natural calamities etc. What it has to do with a grandpa (51) marrying a child of 6 or bonking her at 9?
It was purely the lust of pedo MO for a virgin and ayesha was the one who got victimized of that.
Even if I go by your logic (??), there could have been early age marriages (both boy and girl are children or pre teens) but not an old man on death bed (using your analogy that average life span was 50 years) marrying a child of 6. Considering the average life span of 50, he was very near to the death and by this logic also, he ruined ayesha by marrying her. And don’t forget you have to search for age of Jober, whom ayesha was engaged earlier and MO jumped in between to fulfill his lust. It is only logical to get children marry in their early teens even if I have to consider your crap analogy.
As per your description that the average life span was 50 years, you yourself proving that Mo was in haste to satisfy his lust before he is dead. He couldn’t do anything till khadija was alive and soon she died, MO was free for his lecherous acts. He married at least 10 women in last 13 years of his life when khadija was dead. Don’t you see the true colours of sex pervert HOLY PEDO MO? He didn’t actually spare anyone whom he wanted to fukc including ayesha, zainab, saffiya etc.
10- What about Mary, Jesus' Mother peace be upon both of them? How old was she when she got pregnant?
Not only was it a custom in the Arab society to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the Jewish society. The case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus. Mary had already been "BETROTHED" to Joseph before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man. therefore Mary was younger than 11-14 years of age when she was "BETHROED" to Joseph. We Muslims would never call Joseph a Child Molester, nor would we refer to the "Holy Ghost" of the Bible, that "Impregnated" Mary as a "Rapist" or "Adulterer".
This paragraph was sent to me by brother Mike, who embraced Islam recently; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: According to the Priest of Saint Mary's Catholic Church: "Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus. Joseph, Mary's Husband is believed to be around 36. Mary was only 13 when she married Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old."
According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.
So if I want to be as silly and ridiculous as many of the Christians, I would respond to them by saying that Mary was psychologically and emotionally devastated for getting pregnant at a very young age. And speaking of "child molesting", since most Christians believe that Jesus is the Creator of this universe, then why did GOD allow himself to enter life through a 12-year old young girl's vagina? Please note that we Muslims love and respect Allah Almighty, Mary, Jesus and Allah's Message to the People of the Book (The Jews and Christians). In other words, we Muslims would never make fun of Christianity through such childish topic like this one as many ridiculous Christians do make fun of Islam through our Prophet's (peace be upon him) marriage.
My response:
TU QUOQUE. Need not to answer.
11- What about the Bible's Prophets' marriages?
When we read the Bible, we learn about some Prophets marrying many wives, even hundreds of wives in some cases. Let us look at some of the verses from the Old Testament:
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
And knowing that the Bible's Old Testament allowed before for men to have sex with girls who were at the age of 3, then it wouldn't surprise me that those Prophets who had 700 wives for instance, had many very young "teenage" girls before as their wives.
It wouldn't surprise me if they too had wives that were younger than Mary when she got pregnant, and younger than Aisha when she got married.
Since there are so many wives that those Prophets married (hundreds of wives), then how would anyone know that they didn't marry young women as our beloved Prophet peace be upon him did with his marriage to Aisha peace be upon her?
My response:
TU QUOQUE. Need not to answer.
12- What about the X-Rated Pornography in the Bible?
When we read the Bible, we learn about some weird pornographic teachings that are certainly not appropriate for anyone with morals to read. Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible to see the many pornographic verses in the Bible. You will read for instance, about Solomon's wife's vagina tastes like wine for him!
You will also see examples of Prophets sleeping with their neighbor's wives, such as the following:
David watches a women bathe, likes what he sees, and "goes in unto her." Let us look at 2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home." This Holy Figure in the Bible is a pervert!.
So what happened to "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)"????
How come Leviticus 20:10 was compromised in the Bible and was never applied to King David?! Didn't King David know about this law? Yet, the Jews use his star as their holy symbol; the David Star, and the Christians call Jesus his son; "Son of David".
It seems to me quite clearly that the Bible is nothing but a compromised corrupted Book as Jeremiah 8:8, 2 Samuel 11:2-4 and Leviticus 20:10 suggest.
If the strong eats the weak in the Bible, then what moral and wisdom are we to learn from this book?
My response:
TU QUOQUE. Need not to answer.
13- Jesus never got married before. Therefore, Muhammad is not truthful?
Well, anyone who studies Islam would realize that we Muslims respect Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, very dearly and we regard him as one of Allah Almighty's favorite Prophets. We are not the Jews who believe that he was a liar and his mother Mary was a "whore". Visit this link to see actual quotes from the Jewish Talmud. But Jesus, peace be upon him, is not the measuring stick! Meaning, that whether he married or not, this wouldn't make a person good or bad, truthful or untruthful. It is totally irrelevant to us Muslims that Jesus peace be upon him never got married before whether it was by his choice or not. Certainly, Christians can't even follow his foot steps in this issue, and for those who do, they end up committing adultery in their churches.
Important Note: Also when one studies about the type of circumcision that was practiced 2000 years ago (which caused to weaken the sexual ability of the male and female), and knows that Jesus too got circumcised when he was a child, then one would immediately realize that Jesus not getting married could be a result of the "sexual weakening" that was caused by his circumcision. So this should further proof that Jesus not getting married is completely irrelevant to any discussion.
Please visit Genital Mutilation for males and females in the Bible.
Please visit Answering Trinity to see full proofs from the Bible that Jesus peace be upon him was not the Creator of the Universe, and was only a Messenger of GOD Almighty to the People of Israel.
My response:
TU QUOQUE. Need not to answer.
14- Conclusion:
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was not a child molester as the haters of Islam claim. He was a Noble Messenger of God. Muhammad peace be upon him lived in a society and culture that existed 1400 years ago, and we must not judge what he or others did based on our standards today. It is wrong and foolish to do so.
My response:
This article is full of TU QUOQUE. Next time use your brain, ajmal and come up with some logical rebuttal, else you will make fool out of yourself as you just did here.
A man 54, bonking a child of 9 is in no way a noble man, leave alone being a prophet of true god. Several times I said that we can and we have to judge MO because it was his claim not ours that he is for all the times, for all places and for all people. It is absolutely wise and mandatory to criticize MO. Following him blindly without accepting the truth that he was a pedophile is foolishness. Once you muslims stop following him and we will not criticize him, so simple.
Ajmal, you didn’t answer my questions asked to you earlier.
Would you allow a grandpa of age 51 to marry your sister/daughter at age 6 and bonk her after 3 years at 9?
PS: Dear readers, I actually don’t want to waste our time by answering such brain-dead zombies, as we all know that all they can do is to copy-paste from their crap Islamic sites and claim that they are authentic. You can judge by yourself that how authentic these sites are?
But when such blind followers don’t see the truth shown to them in black & white and keep on posting such craps, I think it becomes my moral responsibility to expose their lies and taqiyya. Let us see this time these muslims come up with a logical answer or with another copy-paste crap or more likely abuses etc.
2:44:21 AM
Posted By Infidel M Comments (15) Musings
Comments
Ratan-Datta Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:46:34 AM
Keep it up Mr Infidel. You are doing a fine job in demolishing opposite arguments.
rahul Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:58:40 AM
keep it up infidel, and u asked correct question to ajmal abt marrying his own sister to 51 year old grandpa
Badmash Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:21:33 PM
GOOD ONE MAYN :)
Badmash Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:06:39 PM
Islam allow INCEST, somewhere i read Mohammad Poppet had gang bang with Aisha's daughter. yaar so much confusing.Mohamad 54 ka tha Aisha 9 year ki thi fir uski daughter kab hui ? and Judah (in bible) had sex with his own duaghter and mother. that all i found on some christians websites. 1400 years of INCEST in Islam.
useless people Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:40:18 AM
you all are useless religious bigot and society don't need you
sage Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:37:44 AM
useless people -do you belong to muslims useless people . you should be proud of pedophile as proved in many blogs.
perfektm Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:37:31 PM
Infidel..Check here..truth of samjautacultureforall.blogspot.com/2007/02/from-ashes-of-burned-train.html
clueless Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:46:54 PM
ndtv ursick. u dont change post of the days for years, stories and poems change once in 2months speakup has no connection/ u allow perverts to misuse this space/ you exercise no control over anything/ when somebody tries to contact you never reply/ is this extreme arrogance or indifferenc/
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:13:51 PM
YEs PM, we all know who is the culprit but our great politicians won't say anything but only rubbish. That's the fate of we people. This time our prime minister will even not take names of those involved cross boarder. What a sad part.
infidel Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:36:46 AM
Tum log sab m..adhor c..hod ho
Infidel Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:42:22 AM
Again showing your islamic wisdom here. Good comic show for we infidels, please carry on, we need clowns like you to laugh upon.
kam na kaj Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:22:36 PM
kam na kaj ke dushman anaj ke
WRONG Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:01:08 PM
KAM NA KAJ KE DUSHMAN SAMJ KE
Infidel Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:14:13 PM
Again showing your islamic wisdom here. Good comic show for we infidels, please carry on, we need clowns like you to laugh upon.
perfektm Friday, February 23, 2007 3:02:59 AM
Infi ..get on the board, show what real islam is....I just opened one more muslim hypocrasy... its herecultureforall.blogspot.com/2007/02/from-ashes-of-burned-train.htmlhave fun

Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) - Part 2


Tuesday, February 20, 2007
Re: Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) - Part 2
Dear readers,
NDTV server is showing some problem while I am trying to post my blog. That is why; I am posting it part by part, please bear with me.
This is a reply to ajmal’s blog. Since Rumple’s blog is the same copy-paste from the crap Islamic site and contains only 9 points whereas ajmal’s copy-paste contains 14, I am taking later one for more clarification. My responses are in RED just to make it easy to read.
MISTER INFIDEL.DONT GET ANGRY BY THIS COPY AND PASTE BECAUSE WHAT U DID WAS ALSO A COPY AND PASTE AND IT WAS VISIBLE WHEN ANY OF THE BLUE COLORED LINK WAS CLICKED.
My response:
Dear Ajmal, you need to learn a lot. What you said blue links are called hyperlinks and are used in order to go directly to the reference. In my article, those “blue coloured links” are hyperlinks to your own AUTHENTIC ISLAMIC SITE --- http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.236
So first learn how to use computer and then accuse me. I took SAHIH hadiths of Bhukahri and Muslim from one of the most reputed site. I hope you know that these SAHIH hadiths are authentic and people like you cannot claim that I used a crap site.
U DO IT.I WILL ALSO DO IT.AND THE FALSEHOOD WILL BE PERISHED BECAUSE THE QURAAN SAYSIN CHAPTER 17 VERSE 81
SAY THE TRUTH HAS ARRIVED AND THE FALSEHOOD PERISHED BECAUSE THE FALSE HOOD BY ITS NATURE IS BOUND TO PERISH
My response:
I am glad that you are trying to follow me. Keep it up bro, you will see the truth very soon. LOL.
Since you admitted that this is a copy-paste stuff which implies that you didn’t use your brain (given by your allah), I will respect your emotions and will reply to the article by addressing you as the author.
Let me clear one thing, as per islam, all the previous prophets and scriptures were for a particular time period, place and certain tribes/communities.
Irshad had just confirmed in his copy-paste article today. It says:” All the prophets that came before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) were only sent for their own people and were to be followed only for a particular period of time.
Surah Ali Imran, chapter 3 verse 49
“And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, . . .” [Al-Qur’an 3:49]”
So by referring those examples actually, you are trying to prove allah and Mo wrong, so I won’t go there. I will try to concentrate on quran, hadiths, islam, MO, allah etc and not on previous corrupted scriptures and previous prophets (as per islam), as MO claimed that he is last prophet of allah and is for all man kind, all places and all times. Moreover, we are discussing MO here and not other prophets. Even if all other prophets and scriptures are wrong, it doesn’t prove that your holy prophet was not a pedophile.
Rumple, read your name where ever you find ajmal in my reply below.
Aisha in Islam:
Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet in Islam!
First of all, it is important to know:
Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was:
People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [ref 1-7] etc... People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [ref 1-7] etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples:[ ref 1-7 ] etc...
[Ref child bride]
The article specifically says they were common and not exceptions!
It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.
That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many third world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.
Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!
My response:
Ajmal, This is known as TU QUOQUE (logical fallacy). From Wikipedia,
Tu quoque (Latin for "You, too" or "You, also") is an argument that asserts or implies that a certain position is false and/or should be disregarded because its proponent fails to consistently act in accordance with that position; it attempts show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. It can be considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the opposite party itself, rather than its positions.
For instance, "Reverend Bob claims that theft is wrong, but how can theft be wrong if Bob himself admits he stole objects when he was a child?"

You-too version
This form of the argument is as follows:
A makes criticism P.
A is also guilty of P.
Therefore, P is dismissed.
This is an instance of the two wrong things make a right fallacy.
If Mr. X is a thief and Mr. Y is a thief. Are both of them wrong? Or by showing that My X is a thief, Mr. Y becomes a saint?
Whoever has sex with a child is a pedophile, be it Mo or anybody else.
So don’t engage yourself in logical fallacy. Accept that Mo was a pedophile and all others who do such a mean act are also pedophile.
You wrote: “Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!
Who made that legal, Mo himself? Like barbarism was common in 7th century and before that, is it 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and divine religions? Think before you copy-paste, ajmal.
A man, who claimed to be a seal of prophet s of god, marrying a child of 6 years age and bonking her at 9 when he was 54, is by any means neither legal nor acceptable except Islamic or similar crap laws.
So to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile for marrying a girl that was OFFERED TO HIM by her parents and was accepted by all of the people back then including the enemies of Islam, the pagans, is quite absurd.
The pedophilia in the bible was quite different, because [ girls….men]
My response:
Ajmal, I am sure, you neither read nor understand my article nor your copy-paste stuff. It was Muhammad who asked Ayesha from his father Abu-bakr . Abu bakr even objected but MO shut him up by giving absurd reason. The same reason he used in refusing his marriage with other girl in similar relation, can you explain me why?. So don’t spread lies like ayesha’s parents offered him to MO.
Also, in [exodus….] as further elaborated on below, girls were sold off as [ref]other men. So most certainly, no one is qualified to call the Prophet of Islam a pedophile! [3 ref]
Let's look at two main points in the Bible:
1- 3-year old slave girls were forced into sex under the Mosaic Law in the Bible.2- Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible.
1- 3-year old slave girls were forced into sex under the Mosaic Law in the Bible: Also today, the Jewish law for marriage sets the age of consent for females at 11. (Consent is only one way of marriage) I do not know if modern Jewish law still allows (in theory) betrothal by intercourse as it was practiced in ancient times. Thirty years ago, the renowned sexologist R.E.L. Masters and Allan Edwardes said in their study of Afro-Asian sexual expression (_The Cradle of Erotica_, Julian Press, New York:1962) said, "Today, in many parts of North Africa, Arabia, and India, girls are wedded and bedded between the ages of five and nine; and no self-respecting female remains unmarried beyond the age of puberty."
By the way, please visit: [ref} The Bible literally says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".
Also visit [Ref]
2- Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible:7. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.8. "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. 9. "If he designates her for his son [Note: "his son" means that the master is either her father's age or even much older!], he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10. "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. 11. "If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
First of all, did the daughter have any choice to be sold off by her father, married off by her master to either himself or his son? No!
Also, the fact that the master can either marry her or marry her off to his son, means that MOST LIKELY, SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER'S AGE and younger than his son!! So he's probably at least 30+ years older than her. Yet, he himself (her father's age or even MUCH older) can marry her.
[2 ref]
Also, the fact that there is no AGE LIMIT to how girls in the Bible were sold off and married off to other men, WITHOUT ANY CHOICE, who were much much older than them as also the case with the Biblical Prophets who married 100s of wives each clearly proves the hypocrisy of some Christians who attack Islam through Aisha's very young age, while they clearly ignore the same fact in their own Bible. Here is a sample of the 100s of wives of the Biblical Prophets:
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Even today, girls in many third-world countries are married off at the same or similar age. Also, it is believed by many Jews and Roman Catholics that Mary was 12 - 14 when she had Jesus. Also as I said, the Biblical Prophets who had 100s of wives each most probably married young girls as well.
Also, what about Aisha's PARENTS (MOM AND DAD)? Didn't they see it right and fit to marry their daughter at that age and at that time? Who are we to judge?
Who are we to judge?
[3 ref]Also as I said, didn't the Biblical Prophets marry 100s of wives each? Is it possible that some of those wives were little girls as well? It's both highly probable and possible!
Mr. Sam Shamoun of "Answering Islam" even admits that his grandmother was 12 when she got married:
Note: I won't go into the details of his cheap insults and trash words, because I am much higher and classier than him. He has proven himself several times to be a [ref]
Note: I won't go into the details of his cheap insults and trash words, because I am much higher and classier than him. He has proven himself several times to be a [ref]
QuranSearch Com: questionAnswering Islam: yes QuranSearch Com: how old was your grandma when she got married?Answering Islam: 12 perhaps
The fact that his own Biblical Prophets married 100s of wives each and fathers used to sell their daughters as slave girls to other men without any age limit makes it extremely possible and probable that several if not many of these wives were little girls between 9 to 13, while the Prophets were MUCH MUCH OLDER than them. If his own grandmother who exited THOUSANDS of years later still married at 12, then what makes it impossible for girls during Biblical times to have married way much older men than them when they were little ones?
Since there is no age limit for the girl to be sold by her own father as a slave girl to another man, WHO CAN HAVE SEX WITH HER, then I want to ask Mr. Sam Shamoun here:
Aren't you a total hypocrite for denying that little girls were sold off and married off during biblical times at very young age to much much older men (as I proved in Exodus 21:9 above), while making fierce charges against Islam on Aisha's age?
How do you respond to this?
My response:
Dear ajmal, this copy-paste is related to Mr. Sam Shamoun, hence not at all of my concern.
Moreover, you (rather the actual author) again used TU QUOQUE here which I have explained above.
Keep one thing in mind, I am not here to defend any religion but you are to defend your ISLAM. So what happened in Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism etc is not our topic of discussion and by showing their mistakes, you cannot prove that islam is divine and Mo is not pedophile. At the most it can prove that islam is as absurd as other religions are, if you can prove that. Ajmal, try to prove divinity of islam, instead of showing mistakes in other religions. Being a muslim, do you believe that other religions are also true (I don’t think so)? If yes, you are closer to the truth. If not, why are you quoting them in order to prove islam divine.
2- My response to the "Child Molester" lie against Prophet Muhammad:
Important Note: Please pay attention toward the end of this article to the Virgin Mary's (peace be upon her) age. According to Christian resources, Mary was 12-14 when she had Jesus. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past. You will also see a section on the Prophets of the Bible who married hundreds of wives and some had even slept with their neighbor's wives and some had exposed their wives in the most disgusting PORNOGRAPHIC way to the entire world in the Bible. You will also see my response to the missionaries' argument: "Jesus never got married, so therefore Muhammad is not truthful".
Every time the Muslims talk about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to the anti-Islamic, the anti-Islamic use Muhammad's marriage with a girl named Aisha as a point against Islam. They claim that since Muhammad was in his 50's and Aisha was only 9 years old, then its ok to call him a "Child Molester":
Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"
Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage. This is further elaborated on in the "The Middle Eastern and other Cultures" and "What about Aisha's parents (mon and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?" and "The life span 1400 years ago was very short" sections below in this article.
The "child molester" charge is a terrible unfair attack on Islam because it doesn't apply to our beloved prophet in anyway!
[3 ref]
The article specifically says they were common and not exceptions!
My response:
Ajmal, I don’t want to repeat myself again and again as the author of this article did.
NO TU QUOQUE PLEASE, PERIOD.
The hadith referred above is the same as I did. I am glad that you approved my source of reference as authentic. Thanks ajmal. LOL.
This hadith says that ayesha was 6 when MO (51) married her and was 9 when pedo MO (54) bonked her. This itself proves that MO was a pedophile, do you still need any more proof. Ajmal, a simple question for you. Was MO the prophet of god or ayesha’s parents or the other lady were prophets of god?
We are discussing pedo Mo here and not any XYZ. Who cares anybody else did it in that time but since MO who claimed to be a prophet for all times, all places and all people did this lecherous act which ruined childhood of hundreds of thousands of innocent children like ayesha since that time till today and days to come, is of our concern.
If MO was prophet of true god and allah is only true god, allah could have stopped MO to do such disgusting act, because allah is supposed to know that this will ruin lives of many innocents and blind followers will bonk even infants as there is not a lower age limit of sex in islam. Actually it was Mo who wrote quran in name of allah and revealed whatever he needed and whenever he needed in order to fulfill his dirty wishes.
3- Was Aisha engaged to someone else before she got engaged to Muhammad?
I was told that Aisha was already engaged to a non Muslim man named Jober Ibn Al-Moteam Ibn Oday. Back then, the people of Mecca did not object to Aisha's engagement to Jober because she was physically big enough and tall enough to be considered for marriage. Her parents saw that and they engaged her to Jober.
The only reason why Aisha's father, Abu Baker Al Siddeek, broke her engagement with Jober is because he was a non-Muslim. Later, a woman named Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested for Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to marry Aisha, because the Prophet and Abu Baker became best friends. Prophet Muhammad engaged Aisha for 2 years before he married her.
All Muslim scholars agree 100% that Prophet Muhammad and Aisha were engaged for 2 years before marriage. However, some say that she was 7 when she got engaged, and 9 when she got married. Others say that she was 9 when she got engaged and 11 when she got married.
I personally think that it makes more logical sense to say that she was 9 when she got engaged to Prophet Muhammad and 11 when she got married, because if she were 7 when she got engaged to the Prophet, then how old was she when she first got engaged to Jober? I don't think she was big enough and mature enough to get engaged with Jober before the age of 7. I don't think her parents would have allowed it.
My response:
Ajmal, since you have done hard work in copy-pasting this article, I would request you to do some simple work by yourself. Please let us all know the age of Jober Ibn Al-Moteam Ibn Oday. That will clarify our doubts. Please keep in mind that Jober was not a muslim leave alone being a prophet.
Now see how much confused and hypocrite is the author of the article. He referred SAHIH HADITH OF BUKHARI which clearly says that ayesha was 6 when married and was 9 when bonked by MO. Now where is the room for speculations? Who are those scholars who say different than SAHIH BHUKHARI and SAHIH MUSLIM? No reference given ey. Who is the author to put words in mouth of scholars of repute like bhukhari and Muslim. Think over it ajmal.
4- The Middle Eastern and other Cultures:
If you take the time to study a little bit about the history of the tribes in South America, Middle East, Africa, India and the far eastern Oriental countries 1400 years ago, you would find that many tribes even until today (as shown in the Thai girl's and the 12-year old Romanian girl links above) allow the marriage of females at a very young age.
Do you think it is fair for you to come today and attack our beloved Prophet and call him a child molester when nobody 1400 years ago from his tribe had objected to his marriage? Not even the Pagans of Mecca, nor the Jews and Christians of Medina ever objected to it or used it as a point against Islam as anti-Islamic do today. We all need to understand the culture that we are talking about. Life in the Middle East is a very simple one. It is a lot simpler than what our brain can imagine, because the simplest to us here in America may be a very difficult or complicated thing to them in the Middle East especially for those folks who live in tribes in the rural areas where they don't have TV, electricity, or any electrical equipment. They live on natural water and survive on what they have available from fruits, vegetables and animals as food.Parents look at the girl's physical appearance when they prepare her for marriage. They don't care about her age. She could be 9 or 13, it doesn't matter.
My response:
You wrote:” Do you think it is fair for you to come today and attack our beloved Prophet and call him a child molester when nobody 1400 years ago from his tribe had objected to his marriage?”
Why not ajmal? Are you following quran and sunnah today or not? Do you have faith in MO who lived in 7th century or not? Do you follow what he taught or not? Do you believe that he was a prophet of allah and most noble person walked on the face of the earth or not? Are you living in 21st century and following teaching of 7th century or not?
I am sure your answers will be “YES”, it doesn’t matter you write them here or not.
Whoever dared to speak against MO was silenced by his sword. So who would have objected his deeds? And don’t forget, he was having allah in his sleeve to come out with a verse suiting his desires every time he was in a problem like this or marriage with Zainab etc.
Everybody on this earth believed that earth is flat till recent times, does that makes it the truth? No, earth is not flat, whether bible says it or quran says it. Similarly, an old man in his fifties marrying a child of 6 and bonking her at 9 is totally wrong, whether Christianity says it or islam says it. Mo was not there to follow the bad things of that culture; he was there to stop these bad practices of that time and culture, if we consider him a prophet of true god. Also, allah was supposed to know that these are bad practices and should be abandoned then and there. Isn’t allah all knowing, then how he allowed MO to do such shameful act?
You said simplicity which is actually ignorance. In 7th century people did not know many things which we do today, but what happened to allah? Isn’t he omniscient? He should have known that ruining a child life is the worst sin and should have revealed a verse against such disgraceful act. NO ajmal, it was not the true god who revealed to pedo MO, either it was satan or it was MO himself who said lies in the name of allah.
You wrote: “They don't care about her age. She could be 9 or 13, it doesn't matter.” Surely they are not prophets and allah and MO should have cared.
5- What about Aisha's parents (mom and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?
Since Aisha's parents both approved of her engagement with Jober and later approved to her marriage to Muhammad, is it fair for anyone to call her mom and dad and former fiancée and whole tribe all child molesters? I think whoever does that would be out of his mind and needs to study a little history about the Middle East.
Let us look at the following narration:
Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"
Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage.
My response:
I already answered this. Tell me one thing, does getting MC at 9 makes a girl ready (both mentally and physically) for sex with a grandpa of 54 years age? Though, it is mentioned in hadiths that ayesha didn’t reach her puberty when bonked by pedo MO.
6- More on Aisha's Marriage and its acceptance by the Arab culture back then:
The following article was sent to me by brother Faris Osman Abdat; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
Asalamu Alaikum brother Osama
Below are the points that perhaps could be of some use in the defense of the marriage of Lady Aisha to our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him). You would know if they are good enough to be utilize, insyallah :
"Firstly - if indeed the marriage of Lady Aisha was something which was despicable even at that time and in that culture, this fact would never have been recorded for posterity and all efforts to conceal or cloud it would have been undertaken. But the fact that this hadith had reached us after it was recorded centuries ago and to all the Muslim generations in between proved that the marriage was culturally and morally acceptable and the fact is also that the Muslim community at that time remained unshakened in its faith in his Prophethood and the message which he had brought bear testimony to this assertion. Secondly - we have to look at the life of Lady Aisha afterwards. She was without doubt one of the foremost scholars of Islam. It is even said that she had attained in her lifetime the position of Mufti - someone capable of giving religious rulings - a position very few Muslims will ever occupy. She was seeked by many, both men and women, who hungered for knowledge and they came to her from all directions, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria. History does not know of any woman who was approached by so many for such a noble purpose. If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam. And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam. No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought."
My response:
Already answered. Do you think a child of 6 or 9 understand what sex is and what are its consequences? I don’t think so. Do you want to prove that since MO married ayesha so it was ok for him to bonk ayesha at 9? NO, Mo’s marriage with ayesha did not spare him to be a pedophile. What an Islamic solution, marry a child and fukc her at 9, and you are not pedophile! What a great remedy and defense for your pedo MO!!
I am not saying that MO forced ayesha to bed, he actually took her to bed. Ayesha didn’t know what is happening but Mo, being a prophet of god, must have known what he was doing; he was actually ruining ayesha’s childhood and her genitals. You wrote, she wasn’t damaged at all. Did she conceive ever? NO. That is one of the effects of bonking a child by an elder person like MO. Go to any site of your choice and find out what are the negative impact a child has, when fukced at an early age. Was ayesha in a position to say anything against MO? You must be kidding.
7- But still, she is considered a child in our standards today!
Well, a lot of the things we do today are not right in the eyes of many. Our "standards" today mean nothing to what took place 1400 years ago. Today, anyone under 18 years old is considered a "child", a baby still under his mommy's and daddy's care. Back then on the other hand, people who reached the age of 18 were considered wise and very mature.
Let me share this Islamic story with you:
There is a famous Islamic figure called "Osama bin Zayd (or Zaid)". I was told that this man was once a leader or one of the leaders of the Muslims who met the Roman Christians. He defeated them. He was only 16 to 18 years old.
So the point is, Aisha, peace be upon her, might look as child to you, but back then she certainly was considered as "woman" who was qualified for marriage.
The following articles contain more proofs:
From http://ismaili.net/histoire/history03/history333.html: (bold, color and underline emphasis below are mine)
Osama bin Zaid
At about the middle of the month of Safar, in the 11th A.H., on Monday, Muhammad ordered his followers to make speedy preparations for an expedition against the people of Mauta in the Byzantine territory, and the sources go to say, to avenge the massacre of the soldiers, who had fallen in recent skirmishes. The next day, on Tuesday he appointed Osama to the command of the army. Osama was the son of Zaid bin Harith, who had been slain at Mauta, and was a youth of 17 or 18 years. On Wednesday, a violent inroad of headache and fever seized Muhammad, but the next morning of Thursday, he found himself sufficiently recovered to prepare a flag-staff, with his own hands, which he made over to Osama. The camp was then erected at Jorf, three miles from Medina on the route to Syria. He ordered all his followers at Medina to join it at once, not excepting even the renowned companions to join it at once. Only Ali, who was required to remain with him at Medina, was exempted. The malady, although gaining ground, did not confine Muhammad entirely to his house. He used to move into the mosque, through the door of his apartment, to lead the prayers. After about a week of his summoning the men to the Syrian expedition under Osama, he perceived that the progress to join the camp at Jorf was very slow and poor, therefore, he once again addressed the people to join the Syrian expedition. The sickness of Muhammad was increasing every day, and the Syrian expedition, weighed upon his mind, and continued saying to those around him, "Send off quickly the army of Osama." According to the Shiites, Muhammad was really reprimanding his companions for not joining the expeditionary force. Knowing that Muhammad's end was near, the companions were reluctant to leave Medina at such a critical time and fearful that, if they absented themselves, Ali might step uncontested. In sum, the army of Osama could not depart from Medina during the time of Muhammad.
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From www.dawn.com (bold, color and underline emphasis below are mine)
"...Assuming the responsibilities of the caliphate he was confronted with the problems that some of the tribes who had already embraced Islam broke off, many tribes declined to pay Zakat and false prophets emerged to take advantage of the situation. Hazrat Ayesha (RA) at this is reported to have uttered that the problems faced by my father if had befallen on Jibal-ur- Rasiat it would have shattered. However, credit goes to him who with courage and resolution overcame them.His first priority was to dispatch the expedition to Syria under the command of Osama bin Zaid originally ordered by the Holy Prophet but delayed due to his (SAW) death. It was a critical juncture for him. In the wake of alarming condition he was advised not to send, but he did not yield and without hesitation dispatched it in order to execute the wishes of the Holy Prophet. He was so much concerned that he himself came out of Madina to see the expedition off which soon returned graced by victory. It boosted the morale of the Muslims very much...."
My response:
Do you understand the difference between 9 and 18? First read, understand and then copy-paste.
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Infidel Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:43:20 AM
Again problem with server.I will try to incorporate here. If not, so please read next part.
Ratan-Datta Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:01:56 AM
InfidelA good rebuttal. The truth is there for all to see but they are blinded by 1400 yrs of indoctrination.

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Monday, April 9, 2007
ANSWERS FOR INFIDEL
DEAR INFIDEL.YOU SOUGHT ANSWERS TO MANY QUESTIONS.TIME DOES NOT PERMIT ME TO REPLY ALL THOSE HERE.I KNOW WHAT EVER YOU HAVE PUBLISHED OR WHAT EVER YOU ARE GOING TO PUBLISH IS A COPY PASTE FROM VARIOUS ANTI ISLAMIC SITES.SO I HAVE MADE REBUTAALS AND COUNTER REBUTTALS TO ALL THOSE SITES. HOPE YOU WIL GET YOUR REPLIES THERE.REGARDING MY BLOG ON DHAHAHA,IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE NOT READ IT PROPERLY.IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED THAT ONE WORD IN ARABIC HAS SEVERAL MEANINGS.YOU WROTE:-
Moreover, even if I have to consider Islamic claim that dahaha means “egg-shaped”, which it does not, even though our earth is not egg shaped at all. It is more close to a sphere or in common term to a ball than to an egg. Go to your kitchen and take an egg. Now compare it with a ball or rather with a globe. Are they same in shape?MY RESPONSE:-I WILL LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT DHAHAHA ESPECIALLY MEANS THE EGG OF OSTRICH.PERHAPS YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.THEN PLEASE VISIT A ZOO OR MAKE MY FAVOURITE GOGLE IMAGES SEARCH FOR THAT.REFER TO MY BLOG:-QURAAN & REBUTTALSTHIS EVENING AS I AM GOING TO UPDATE THOSE BLOGS BY MORE REBUTTALS TO ALI SINNA AND YOUR OTHER CRAP SITES.A PERSONAL QUESTION.MAIL ME THE REPLY AT MY ID AJMALBHAI10@YAHOO.CO.INIF U DONT WANT TO REPLY THAT HERE.ARE YOU THE SAME INFIDEL WHO HAD GONE TO CHALLENGE SAMI ZATARI AT BLOGGER.COM(OR BLOGGERS.COM THAT IS RUN BY GOOGLE) AND WAS BADLY HUMILIATED??TO ALL OTHER QUESTIONS POSED BY YOU,INSHA ALLAH YOU WILL GET THE ANSWERS IN MY OTHER BLOG,WHOSE HYPERLINK HAS BEEN CREATED ABOVE.I HAVE REPLIED TO ALL THE WEB SITES INCLUDING PROPHET OF DOOM,TO REFUTE ALL THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) IN MY BLOG REBUTTALS.BUT ANSWER TESE QUESTIONS HERE. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
1- If the marriage was so wrong, then why didn’t Aisha’s mother object to the marriage? Instead she happily gave Aisha for marriage, and prepared her for the marriage
2- Why didn’t Abu bakr the father of Aisha object to the marriage? If it was so wrong you would expect the father to have not allowed such a marriage to take place.
3- Why did the women who were present with Aisha when she was about to be given to the prophet for marriage wished her luck and were happy for her. If the marriage was wrong, the women present would have been sad, and they would not have been happy for Aisha, rather what we see is that they were happy for Aisha and had no problems with this marriage whatsoever.
4- Are we supposed to assume that Abu Bakr, and Aisha’s mother, and the women present with Aisha are all pedophiles and child molesters? Indeed such a conclusion with be very ignorant, and arrogant.
5- Why didn’t any of the prophet’s enemies use this against the prophet Muhammad? If the marriage was so wrong, then you would expect to find his enemies to be the first ones to start using this against him, instead what we find is that his enemies NEVER EVEN ONCE brought this marriage up in a negative way against him.
6- In fact why didn’t any of the Arabs around the Hijazi area object or talk against this marriage? It was not only the pagan Arabs in Hijaz who didn’t object to this marriage, but the surrounding Arabs didn’t object to it neither!
7- Are we to assume that ALL these Arabs were pedophiles and child molesters? Indeed such a conclusion would make the one making this conclusion a very stupid man, because only a very stupid arrogant man would accuse an entire race of being child molesters and pedophiles.
8- Why is there not a SINGLE hadith from Aisha showing her being displeased of the marriage? Why is there not one hadith from Aisha showing her to be like a victim, instead when you look at Aisha you find no symptoms of a victim. She became a great leader for Islam, a great scholar for Islam who would teach about Islam to many men. Does this seem to be the symptoms of someone who has been abused?
9-If Aisha was indeed a victim and so on, then why did she love the prophet Muhammad so much, and would sometimes get jelous around him because she loved him so much, does this sound like someone who is a victim?
10- from all the hadith literature we have, we can confidently say that if Aisha was alive today, that she would distance herself from these Christians making these sick arguments, and that she would want nothing to do with these people, this in itself speaks volumes since these people making this sick argument are supposed to be the good guys who are trying to be helpful.
All these points made here are enough to refute the Anti-Islamic’s entire position, and they themselves know this. I could show more points, showing that the age of marriage in the past used to be at a very young age, something history agrees with, but these Anti-Islamic’s are so hate filled and arrogant they will say ALL OF HISTORY is wrong but only today in our modern world we are right. Yet if we look at our modern world, we are a disgrace, and the past is much better than us, look at us today in the modern world. You have men marrying each other; you have late night television showing people having sex like animals doing all sort of sick things. You have people dropping atomic bombs on each other; you have countries invading other countries to take all their natural resources. And this is just the tip of the ice-berg, much more bad things could be said about our modern world, but something which I do find interesting is most of the bad things occurring in our modern world is a result of western Christian influenced societies, that says it all.
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Infidel Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:11:15 AM
Repeating a lie trillion times will not make it truth. Earth is not flat, not egge shaped and earth is not ostrich egg. Period.Find my response in my new blog "Reply to Ajmal".Please answer this time the questions asked in this blog. I would appreciate if you can see 3 images from google there and tell all of us that whether earth looks like a ball or an ostrich egg. Please don't forget to answer this time, please please please.......
Infidel Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:21:19 PM
Changed the name of blog to "Ajmal, answer this if you can -2".I am waiting for your answers, ajmal. Don't waste this chance to prove your quran divine by proving that earth is like an ostrich egg, not like a ball.go ahead ajmal, defend the indefendable islam.

Refuting all the lies against noble Quran


Monday, April 9, 2007
REFUTING ALL THE LIES AGAINST NOBLE QURAAN
The Noble Quran - Contradictions lies, History of Preservation, Worship, and Prophecies and Miracles:
The sections here are:
1- Errors, Contradictions, Satanic verses? Also, History and Preservation.2- Differences with the Bible.3- The Noble Quran. 4- Worship.5- Prophecies. 6- Miracles.


1- Errors, Contradictions, and Satanic verses? Also, History and Preservation:
Responses to all of the so-called "Errors" in the Noble Quran.
Responses to the "Textual Variants" lies in the Noble Quran. History of the Noble Quran's compilation and preservation with captured images of some earliest Manuscripts that date all the way back to the Prophet's first disciples.
Responses to the so-called "Incoherence" in the Noble Quran.
The Eloquence and the Miracle of the Noble Quran's Words, Text and Style.
Introduction to the Noble Quran. History, preservation and other topics.
Rebuttal to Khaled on the Noble Quran's Preservation.
The disagreement between the Noble Quran and Bible about some historical events does not disprove Islam.
**** The LIE of the "SATANIC VERSES" fabricated against the Noble Quran!! Also, what about satan's temptations to the Bible's Prophets?

Did the Noble Quran really say that the sun sets and rises on Murky Spring on earth?
Does the Hadith really contain scientific errors regarding the sun's rising and setting?

GOD Changing His Mind (abrogation) in the Bible.
Repetitions in the Noble Quran and the Bible.
Did the Noble Quran really plagiarize Greek Embryology? A very nice article.
The Falsification Test of Surah Baqarah.

www.QuranSearch.ComMy official Noble Quran Search web site.
Warning against the anti-Islam missionaries of www.QuranBrowser.com!!(click here)

Noble Quran Search in many Foreign LanguagesIncluding Chinese, Japanese, Russian, French, and many more languages....Also at www.QuranSearch.com!

Detailed History of the Noble Quran's Compilation and Preservation!Captured images of some earliest Manuscripts that date back to the Prophet's first disciples!

The Ten Commandments in the Noble Quran.


2- Differences with the Bible:
Does the Quran Say That It Is Corrupted?
Differences between the Noble Quran and Bible only prove Islam's Truthfulness and Divinity.
Allah Almighty transformed some Jews into apes and swines. The Bible seems to clearly support this.
Camel sacrifice in the Bible and the Noble Quran. See the economical reasons of why Allah Almighty allowed it for the Muslims. Also see how Allah Almighty did mention the animals with split hoofs in the Noble Quran. I proved that the Bible clearly allowed camel sacrifice to its followers! Jesus and Paul both allowed their followers to even eat dead and rotten animals.
Which is allowed in Sea Food?
Does the Islamic Paradise really contradict the Bible's Paradise? Will there be physical pleasures in Heaven?
Jesus used the word "Muslim" in Luke 6:40.

From the "Ask me any question" section:
Q2: Why did GOD end His revelations with Muhammad and not with Jesus?
Answer to the question.

Q3: Why did the GOD of Islam allow for the "original" Bible to get corrupted or lost?
Answer to the question.

Q7: Does the Noble Quran in Verse 19:33 confirm Jesus' crucifixion?
Answer to the question.

Q8- In the Quran it mentions the virgin conception of Jesus, why would God go to such extremes to produce a prophet when all other prophets came about the usual way - through intercourse and birth? If Jesus is not divine then what purpose did the virginal conception serve? Answer to the question.

Q9- How is Allah telling the Christians and Jews to rule in accordance with the Bible that is with them according to Noble Verse 7:157 when these scriptures were corrupted by the followers of the religion and could not be found in their true form?
Answer to the question.

Q11- If Islam is so against any form of idol worship, why do they bow to the kaaba? Why do they call it God's House? Do they believe He lives there?
Answer to the question.


3- The Noble Quran:
Was the Noble Quran only sent for the Arabs? Or was it sent to Mankind?
Is the Quran eternal or is it created in time by Allah?
Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?
The challenge of Allah Almighty to Mankind to produce a Chapter like in the Noble Quran.
Why do we see some additions in parenthesis in the English-translated Quran? Does GOD need man to add words to clarify what He means?
Do the Ten Commandments exist in the Noble Quran?
The Psalms of the Noble Quran.


4- Worship:
Praying (Salah) is a must in the Noble Quran.
Learn how to pray. Detailed instructions with pictures and audio.
The psychological Wisdom of Prayers in Islam was proven in Science and Psychology.
Repetitive dua (verbal prayers) in a short amount of time is insulting to Allah Almighty!
Jesus: Vain repetition in prayer is hypocrisy! Are Muslims doing just that in their prayers?
Can we use other than the language of Arabic when we pray to Allah Almighty?
The detailed story of how the Kaaba was built by Abraham and his son Ishmael peace be upon them.
The date of the yearly Pilgrimage to Mecca is the date when Islam was "perfected".
Do Muslims really worship the cube building in Mecca? Do Muslims really believe that Allah Almighty lives in the Kaaba?
Do Muslims really worship the black stone in Mecca?
How come Muslims don't have images of GOD as Christians do with Mary and Jesus?
Is the philosophy of idol worshiping similar to having a Holy Book such as the Noble Quran for instance to help a person to connect with GOD?


5- Prophecies:
The End of Times Prophecies in Islam. In the section, visit the sub-section that talks in details about Gog and Magog and the End of Times.
Allah Almighty's Promise to return the Muslims back to Mecca came to pass!
Pharaoh's body was saved and not lost in the drowning as Allah Almighty promised in the Noble Quran. See the image of the discovered body of Pharaoh.
The Prophecy of the yearly pilgrimage to Mecca in the Noble Quran.
The appearance of the splitting of the moon in half was witnessed by many Muslims.
What are the Signs of the Hour?
The People of Gog and Magog and the End of Times Battles. Read the "The "Chosen People?" of GOD, the End of Times and Gog and Magog" section.
The Iron Gates during the Gog and Magog days that were mentioned in the Noble Quran had been found.
Was Hitler's Holocaust against the Jews prophesied in Islam?
Did Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him really claim that he knew when the Day of Judgement will come?
Prophecies from Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
Quran's correct prophecy of defeat of Romans.
Sex determination was explained in good details by Prophet Muhammad 1400 years ago.
The recently found city of "Imad" or "Iram" was only mentioned in the Noble Quran.
The corruptions and infidel dictatorships in the Muslim world today were prophesized by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
Prophet Muhammad predicted the coming of the "dictators" and bad leaders.
Were human cloning, gender alteration and plastic surgeries prophesied in Islam?


6- Miracles:
Scientific Miracles in the Noble Quran and Islam.
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Posted By Ajmal Rashid Comments (1) Uncategorized
Comments
Infidel Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:19:09 PM
Dear Ajmal,Go to the link for point # 6 and you will find this:"Allah Almighty said: "Have We not made the earth as a BED, and the mountains as pegs? (The Noble Quran, 78:6-7)"See, you brother is confirming that allah said that he made earth as a BED (not ostrich egg).What do you have to say now?????And by the way, mountains are not pegs and they don't hold earth firm. Just for your knowledge.

Ajmal, answer this if you can - 2


Tuesday, April 10, 2007
Ajmal, Answer this if you can - 2
Dear Ajmal,
As I said earlier, you are not even worthy of debating with. You have very limited knowledge and you are stubborn too, hence you don’t want to learn anything. You actually believe that each and every word of quran is divine and therefore absolutely correct. Nobody, especially no ifidel, can challenge the divinity of quran and if someone like me does that, you want to teach me a lesson and want to prove your islam divine. I have no problem if you can prove islam divine, but for that you have to be honest with yourself at least. Continuos denial of the proven facts and shown truth will not make your islam divine. You have to prove that with solid proof and evidances.
Here is my answer to your blog addressed to me.
I sincerely request you to go through it carefully with cool head, read and understand first what I mean to say and then try to answer logically if required. Don’t flood with copy paste stuff in order to prove your islam divine. Answer simple questions in this blog and you will see the truth by yourself.
You wrote:
I WILL REQUEST YOU NOT TO POST THE SAME COMMENT IN ALL MY BLOGS.POST A COMMENT IN ONE BLOG ONLY AS I CAN NOT WASTE MY TIME IN REPLYING SAME THING AT DIFFERENT PLACES.IT IS SO BECAUSE ,I AM PREPARING FOR CLASS 11th ENTRANCE EXAMS AN THIS NDTV ALSO DENIES TO ACCEPT COMMENTS AFTER FEW COMMENTS ARE POSTED.
My response:
Now you understand what “wastage of time” is. Good for you, ajmal. I requested you many times not to post the same crap again and again but still you are continuing that. See above, Ayesha and pedo Mo is discussed in details and all your above 10 points are refuted in such a way that you could not find answers for that and keep on posting the same crap here and there. You are wasting yours, mine and our readers time by posting such crap. Please read my rebuttals to your points in my blogs “MO-Part 2 and MO-Part 2 Contd.”and other blogs. It’s a proven fact now that MO was pedophile and no room for argument on that. Please don’t copy-paste the same old crap again.
You wrote:
REGARDING TWO EASTS ,I HAVE POSTED COMMENTS IN DETAILS IN ANY OF MY BLOG ON QURAAN.STILL I WILL REQUEST YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF EQUINOXES AND SOLSTICES ONCE AGAIN.READ THE LESSON UNIVERSE FROM NCERT BOOKS OF CLASS 10tH AND YOU WILL GET YOUR REPLIES.
Since you have just cleared 10 standard, it is quite obvious that beyond quran, your knowledge has gone to that 10 standard only. You need to learn a lot.
You keep on quoting EQUINOX and SOLSTICE. Let us see what they are and please show us how they make 2 easts?
Wikipedia explains equinox and solstice as below.
An equinox in astronomy is the event when the Sun can be observed to be directly above the Earth's equator, occurring around March 20 and September 23 each year.
In a wider sense, the equinoxes are the two days each year when the center of the Sun spends an equal amount of time above and below the horizon at every location on Earth. The word equinox derives from the Latin words aequus (equal) and nox (night).
A solstice occurs twice a year, whenever Earth's axis tilts the most toward or away from the Sun, causing the Sun to be farthest north or south at noon. The name is derived from Latin sol (sun) and sistere (to stand still), because at the solstice, the Sun stands still in declination, that is, it reaches a maximum or a minimum. The term solstice can also be used in a wider sense as the date (day) that such a passage happens. The solstices, together with the equinoxes, are related to the seasons.
EAST IS (NOT “EAST ARE”, HENCE SINGULAR MEANS ONLY 1 EAST NOT 2 EASTS) ONE (Mind it ajmal, it says ONE not TWO) of the four cardinal directions or compass points. It is the opposite of west and at right angles to north and south.
Where do you find 2 EASTS AND 2 WESTS in it? What equinox and solstice has to do with quranic 2 easts and 2 wests? At the most you could claim about 2 EXTREMES OF EASTS and 2 EXTREMES OF WESTS.
Is EAST is same as EXTREME OF EAST?
If yes, allah is a fool who does not know the difference and hence wrote 2 easts in place of 2 extremes of east. I would be more than happy if you accept that.
And if no, then apologists like naik and you are fools who are twisting the meaning of the quranic verses to fit modern knowledge and science. See the helplessness of such apologists. On one side they claim that allah said that he is the lord of 2 easts and 2 wests. Fine. But there is only one east and only one west. NOw question is how to save face? So these apologists take help of terms like EQUINOX AND SOLSTICE to show two extremes of easts. What an islamic logic!!!! Allah is saying 2 easts and apologists are saying two extremes of east. That means all eaerlier trnaslators like yusuf ali, pickthal, shakir etc are fools and only people like zakir naik are intelligant. Moreover, zakir naik etc are much smarter than allah, because they can change the meaning of quranic verses to fit their objective. These zombies claim that allah said 2 easts but explain with 2 extreme of east.
As if allah, the all knowing (really??) does not know the arabic word for 2 extremes of east hence put 2 easts instead. What a shameful explaination for crap!!
Don’t get confused yourself and don’t try to make others confused as everybody knows (except blind followers like you) that only 1 east and 1 west are there.
Please ask to a KG student how many easts are there and he/she will tell you that there is only 1 east. Don’t submit your intellegence to the crap of 2 easts and 2 wests. After all you are 10th pass and should know more than a KG student.
Let me repeat myself one more time (I don’t know how many times more I have to repeat it to make you understand this simple thing?)
I asked you to do a simple experiment by yourself. Did you do that? No, you didn’t. Though I know that you will never do it and even if you will do it, you will never admit what you found. Still I request you to please do it this time, so that you can see the truth.You are no different than muneer, who could not accept the truth and argued wagely with abuses. Finally he is learning your islam all over again.
Take a stick and put it in front of you such that its one end is on your left side and the other on your right side.The stick has two extremes, one on your left side and another on your right side (remember your equinox and two extremes of easts). Tell me how many stick(s) are there, one or two? As per your Islamic knowledge, you should call 2 sticks, because it has 2 extremes, right. But for we infidels, there is only one stick, not two. Similarly, east (and all other directions) have 2 extremes but all of them are single in count.Try to understand the difference between EAST and EXTREMES of EAST.I don’t know what is so difficult in this example which you cannot understand. What you are calling is 2 extremes of east theory. OK east has 2 extremes, so what? Are there 2 easts now? What a rubbish argument!!!Your quran is telling 2 EASTS and NOT 2 EXTREMES OF EAST (see your rather Naik's translation in your blogs).That verse is not talking about equinox but about directions (2 easts and 2 wests) whereas you people are putting words in your allah mouth by insisting on equinox.
Show me a single example where you find 2 easts and 2 wests other than your crap quran. As you cannot, come out of your denial state from the truth and accept that quran is crap.You wrote:
REGARDING MY BLOG ON DHAHAHA,IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE NOT READ IT PROPERLY.IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED THAT ONE WORD IN ARABIC HAS SEVERAL MEANINGS.YOU WROTE:-
Moreover, even if I have to consider Islamic claim that dahaha means “egg-shaped”, which it does not, even though our earth is not egg shaped at all.
It is more close to a sphere or in common term to a ball than to an egg. Go to your kitchen and take an egg. Now compare it with a ball or rather with a globe. Are they same in shape?MY RESPONSE:-I WILL LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT DHAHAHA ESPECIALLY MEANS THE EGG OF OSTRICH.PERHAPS YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.THEN PLEASE VISIT A ZOO OR MAKE MY FAVOURITE GOGLE IMAGES SEARCH FOR THAT.
My response:
IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED THAT ONE WORD IN ARABIC HAS SEVERAL MEANINGS
OK, I agree that one word may have many meanings. What I am asking is that which meaning you want to stick with. You cannot say both FLAT AND EGGE SHAPED at the same time. Either earth is flat or it is egge shaped (as per your crap quran and your explaination of word DAHAHA). So first decide, DAHAHA means FLAT or Egg Shaped in this particular verse. Don’t jump from one meaning to another to save your face. First you said, DAHAHA means “to spread”, then “egg shaped” and now “ostrich egg”. Hold firm on your words, don’t keep on changing your own explainations.
This time you said DAHAHA especially means “EGG OF OSTRICH”. Fine. Now don’t change your stance.
Again your great naik etc are trying to show that they are more knowledgeable than yusuf ali, pickthal, shakir etc. Pedo mo said earth is flat like carpet but modern science says its like ball. HOw to save face?? Find Ostrich word somewhere and make DAHAHA means OSTRICH EGG. How much lies you people can tell, I REALLY WONDER?? And followers like you parroting the same crap blindly without even enquiring the actual meaning. Great islamic wisdom on display.
Whenever I write something, I think before I write. I suggest the same to others also. It saves ourselves from being humiliated.
See what I wrote and what you responded.
I wrote: Moreover, even if I have to consider Islamic claim that dahaha means “egg-shaped”, which it does not, even though our earth is not egg shaped at all.
It is more close to a sphere or in common term to a ball than to an egg. Go to your kitchen and take an egg. Now compare it with a ball or rather with a globe. Are they same in shape?
You wrote: I WILL LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT DHAHAHA ESPECIALLY MEANS THE EGG OF OSTRICH.PERHAPS YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.THEN PLEASE VISIT A ZOO OR MAKE MY FAVOURITE GOGLE IMAGES SEARCH FOR THAT.
No Ajmal, DAHAHA does not mean Ostrich egg. It means “to spread out”. It also refer to “the spreading out of soil by an ostrich while laying its eggs in order to cover them”.
Now see the height of islamic apology, since ostrich word is there, make the meaning of DAHAHA as “EGGE SHAPED” and somebody like me argues, further make it “OSTRICH EGG”.
One of your brother wrote about ELECTRICITY AND AERO PLANE TEHNOLOGY in quran. Since COPPER word is in quran hence allah predicted ELECTRICITY and since WIND word is there, make it AERO PLANE TECHNOLOGY. What a wishful apology!!!
Same is in your case. DAHAHA does not mean EGG SHAPED OR OSTRICH EGG. But just for sake of argument, I said that even if I have to consider it so, our earth is not at all egg shaped.
You asked me to go to zoo or google search. Did you do that first before asking me to do so? Certainly not. If you did that, you would have not asked me. You are preapring ground for me to refute your hollow claims in a humiliating manner. See below the googled images of a ball, the earth and an ostrich egg.
Tell me ajmal, how our earth looks like, close to a ball or close to an ostrich egg?
Now don’t tell me that since allah said earth is flat, egge shaped or is ostrich egg, hence you can only see our earth like ostrich egg and cannot see it like ball. LOL
PS: It is useless to tell you the difference between prolate and oblate spheriods. Scientifically, both earth and egg are totally opposite in nature as per this explantion but you will not understand it as you could not understand the shapes of a ball and an egg and continued argueing islamically.







BALL
EARTH
OSTRICH EGG

THIS EVENING AS I AM GOING TO UPDATE THOSE BLOGS BY MORE REBUTTALS TO ALI SINNA AND YOUR OTHER CRAP SITES.
Ajmal, grow up. First answer my questions and then flood with copy paste.
A PERSONAL QUESTION.MAIL ME THE REPLY AT MY ID AJMALBHAI10@YAHOO.CO.INIF U DONT WANT TO REPLY THAT HERE.
I won’t email you, period.
ARE YOU THE SAME INFIDEL WHO HAD GONE TO CHALLENGE SAMI ZATARI AT BLOGGER.COM(OR BLOGGERS.COM THAT IS RUN BY GOOGLE) AND WAS BADLY HUMILIATED??
No, I am not. I had only one open debate so far and that was with Human and Learner on this very blogsphere. So far none of muslim bloggers here could even answer my questions leave alone refuting my claims.
I KNOW WHAT EVER YOU HAVE PUBLISHED OR WHAT EVER YOU ARE GOING TO PUBLISH IS A COPY PASTE FROM VARIOUS ANTI ISLAMIC SITES.
Prove it ajmal, that I copy pasted in this blog leave alone others.
FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU VERSE NUMBER 18 OF
CHAPTER 2 OF QURAAN SAYS:
[002:018] Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
Answer my questions in this blog to prove that you are not DEAF, DUMB AND BLIND:
1) Do 2 extremes of 1 stick make it 2 sticks or not? If yes, how? If no, why you are arguing on 2 easts and 2 wests. Accept that your allah and his quran are wrong.
2) Do you see image of earth above, like that of a ball or like that of an ostrich egg? If you see it like an ostrich egg, go and see a doctor. If you see it like a ball, your allah and his crap quran are proved wrong one more time. Cheers.
DON’T HIDE YOUR FACE THIS TIME LIKE ALWAYS UNDER COPY PASTE STUFF AND ANSWER THESE SIMPLE QUESTIONS BY YOURSELF USING YOUR OWN BRAIN.
May god show you the truth. Amen.
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