Author Q&A By JEFFREY A. TRACHTENBERGMarch 7, 2008 7:51 p.m.
In his new book, "God's Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most Important Question -- Why We Suffer" Bart D. Ehrman examines the paradox between faith in the divine and suffering on Earth.
Mr. Ehrman, a professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, is the author of numerous titles, including 2005's "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why." In his new work he describes how as a young man he was so devoted that he served as an altar boy through high school.
Mr. Ehrman, 52 years old, writes that he could "quote entire books of the New Testament, verse by verse, from memory." But he then had a crisis of faith. How was it possible that a loving, all-knowing God could allow so many to suffer? In the Bible, he writes, the prophets attributed suffering to the consequences of God's wrath. He also explores the idea that "salvation could emerge from suffering," and uses the story of Job to explain the apparent randomness of suffering. He also rejects the apocalyptic view that suffering is part of a larger plan that will end when God eliminates the wicked and embraces his true followers. Mr. Ehrman, who lives in Durham, N.C., was interviewed by The Wall Street Journal's Jeffrey A. Trachtenberg.
The Wall Street Journal: Do you now describe yourself as an atheist?
Bart D. Ehrman: No, I describe myself as an agnostic. An atheist declares there is no God. An agnostic says that they don't know. I don't believe that the God of the Bible exists, the God who intervenes in history and answers prayer. But is there a superior force in the universe? I don't know.
WSJ: In the first chapter of your book, you write that you have lost your faith, that you no longer go to church, and that you don't consider yourself a Christian. Isn't this unusual for somebody with such a long and serious religious background?
Mr. Ehrman: I'm getting hundreds of emails, and more than half are from people with conservative religious upbringings who now so doubt their faith that they don't know what to call themselves. Also, departments of religious studies are notorious for being staffed by people who don't believe in the traditions that they teach.
LISTEN TO AN EXCERPT
In the first chapter of "God's Problem" Mr. Ehrman discusses his background. Listen to L.J. Ganzer read from the book.
WSJ: What does your family think of this?
Mr. Ehrman: They don't know what to make of it. My mom is still a good evangelical Christian woman. We talk basketball rather than religion.
WSJ: You live and work in the Bible Belt. Don't you feel a little out of place?
Mr. Ehrman: Chapel Hill is very liberal. Jesse Helms once said that North Carolina doesn't need a zoo, they could just build a fence around Chapel Hill. This isn't quite the same as rural North Carolina.
WSJ: Isn't suffering a natural part of life?
Mr. Ehrman: I think it is, yes. Suffering is random and chaotic and capricious, and the difficulty in the Christian tradition is that God is supposed to be sovereign over the world. So in theory there shouldn't be capricious suffering. If God is actively involved and loves his people and can resolve their problems, why doesn't he? People think God answers prayer, but that seems strange to me.
WSJ: But if people didn't suffer, they might not turn to organized religion.
Mr. Ehrman: And if people didn't starve to death they wouldn't die. I don't believe they died in order for me to show up at church on Sunday morning. Suffering isn't there to make us more religious. What God would create massive suffering so that we'll turn to him?
WSJ: I thought faith, by definition, overcomes all doubts.
Mr. Ehrman: A lot of people struggle with their faith. I don't try to make people agnostic. But I try to get them to think about their faith. Sometimes the doubts have so much weight that they overcome faith. That's what happened to me. I didn't want to leave the Christian fold. I was very satisfied and there are many benefits to being within the fold. But I couldn't accept the counter evidence.
WSJ: What would a world that lacked suffering look like ?
Mr. Ehrman: Paradise. Some people say we need suffering to appreciate the good. But I can't believe that people have to starve to death so that I can appreciate my filet mignon tonight. In the Christian tradition the world was created without suffering. So it's not inconceivable that a world could exist without suffering. And the aftermath will be without suffering. So from the beginning of all things and the end of all things, Christians agree that there could be world without suffering.
WSJ: Near the end of your book, you poke fun at those who insist on believing "this is the best of all possible worlds." But as a nonbeliever, surely this is your only world. In light of all the suffering you describe, why do you describe yourself as "very cheerful?"
Mr. Ehrman: I have a great life. Things are good. The world isn't only a place of misery. There is also joy and happiness. And we have to embrace that.
Write to Jeffrey A. Trachtenberg at jeffrey.trachtenberg@wsj.com
Sunday, March 9, 2008
On God's Problem: Bart D. Ehrman On His Transformation From Evangelist to Agnostic
Sunday, October 7, 2007
Do You Know Your Sonia? By Dr. Subramanian Swamy
>> Ms. Sonia Gandhi's background as is publicized by her and her Congress >Party today, is based on three lies to hide the ugly reality of her life.> First, her real name is Antonia not Sonia. The Italian Ambassador in New >Delhi revealed this in a letter dated April 27, 1983 to the Union Home >Ministry which letter has not been made public. Antonia is Sonia's real >name in her birth certificate. Sonia is the name given to her subsequently >by her father, Stefano Maino [now deceased] following his return from >Russia where he had been a prisoner of war. Stefano had joined the Nazi >army as a volunteer. Sonia is a Russian not Italian name. While spending >two years in a Russian jail, Sonia's father had become quite pro-Soviet; >especially after the liberating US army in Italy had confiscated all >fascists' properties including his.> Second, she was not born in Orbassano as she claims in her bio data >submitted to Parliament on becoming MP, but in Luciana as stated in her >birth certificate. She perhaps would like to hide the place of her birth >because of her father's connection with the Nazis and Mussolini's Fascists, >and her family's continuing connections with the Nazi-Fascists underground >that is still surviving since 1945 in Italy. Luciana is where Nazi-Fascist >network is headquartered, and is on the Italian-Swiss border. There can be >no other explanation for this otherwise meaningless lie.> Third, Sonia Gandhi has not studied beyond High School. She has falsely >claimed in her affidavit filed as a contesting candidate before the Rae >Bareli Returning Officer in the 2004 Lok Sabha elections, that she >qualified and got a diploma inEnglish from the prestigious University of >Cambridge, UK.> The truth is that Ms. Gandhi has never studied in any college anywhere. >She did go to a Catholic nun run seminary-school called Maria Ausiliatrice >in Giaveno [15 kms from adopted home town of Orbassabo]. Poverty those days >forced young Italian girls to go to such missionaries and then in their >teens go to UK to get jobs as cleaning maids, waitresses and au pair. The >Mainos were poor those days. Her father was a mason and mother a share >cropper.> Sonia thus went to the town of Cambridge and first learnt some English >in a teaching shop called Lennox School [which has since 1970 been wound >up]. That is all her "education" is--learnt enough English language to get >domestic help jobs. But in Indian society education is highly valued. Thus, >to fool the Indian public, Sonia Gandhi willfully fibbed about her >qualifications in Parliamentary records [which is a Breach of Ethics Rules] >and in a sworn affidavit [which is criminal offence under IPC, severe >enough to disqualify her from being MP]. In popular parlance, this is >called 420 or 10 "numberi" [not to be confused with 10 Janpath].> These three lies indicate that Ms. Sonia Gandhi has something to hide, >or has a hidden agenda for India. We need to find out more about her.> III> Ms. Sonia Gandhi upon learning enough English became a waitress in >Varsity Restaurant in Cambridge town. She first met Rajiv when he came to >the restaurant in 1965. Rajiv was a student in the University, but could >not cope with the academic rigour for long. So he had to depart in 1966 for >London where he was briefly in Imperial College of Engineering as a >student. Sonia too moved to London, and according my information, got a job >with an outfit run by Salman Thassir, a debonair Pakistani based in Lahore, >and who has a export-import company headquartered in Dubai but who spends >most of his time in London. Thisfits the profile of an ISI functionary.> Obviously, Sonia made enough money in this job to loan Rajiv funds in >London, who was obviously living beyond his allowances [Indira herself >expressed anguish to me on this score in late 1965 when she invited me to a >private tea at the Guest House in Brandeis University]. Rajiv's letters to >Sanjay, who was also in London then, clearly indicate that he was in >financial debt to Sonia because he requested Sanjay who obviously had more >access to money, to pay off the debt.> However, Rajiv was not the only friend Sonia was seeing those days. >Madhavrao Scindia and a German by name Stiegler are worth mentioning as >other good friends of Sonia. Madhavrao's friendship continued even after >Sonia's marriage to Rajiv. Scindia in 1982 was involved in a traffic >accident near IIT, Delhi main gate while driving a car at 2 AM. Sonia was >the only other passenger. Both were badly injured. A student of IIT who was >burning midnight oil was out for a cup of coffee. He picked them up from >the car, hailed an auto rickshaw and sent an injured Sonia to Mrs Indira >Gandhi's house since she insisted in not going to a hospital. Madhavrao had >broken a leg and in too much pain to make any demand. He was taken to >hospital by the Delhi Police who had arrived a little after Sonia had left >the scene. In later years, Madhavrao had become privately critical of >Sonia, and told some close friends about his apprehensions about Sonia. It >is a pity that>he died in mysterious circumstances in an aircrash.> The circumstance under which Rajiv hastily married Sonia in a Church in >Orbassano is controversial but that was his personal matter that has no >public significance. But what is of public significance is that Indira >Gandhi who was initially dead set against the marriage for reasons known to >her, relented to hold a registry marriage with Hindu ceremonial trappings >in New Delhi only after the pro-Soviet T.N. Kaul prevailed upon her to >accept the marriage in "the larger interest of cementing Indo-Soviet >Friendship". Kaul would not have intervened unless the Soviet Union had >asked him to.> IV> Such has been the extensive patronage from the beginning extended to >Sonia Gandhi from the Soviets. When a Prime Minister of India's son dates a >girl in London, the KGB which valued Indo-Soviet relations, obviously would >investigate her and find out that she was the daughter of Stefano, their >old reliable Italian contact. Thus, Sonia with Rajiv meant deeper access to >the household of the Indian Prime Minister. Hence cementing the Rajiv-Sonia >relations was in the Soviet national interest and they went to work on it. >And they did through their then existing moles in the Indira Gandhi camp.> After her marriage to Rajiv, the Soviet connection with the Mainos was >fortified and nurtured by generous financial help through commissions and >kickbacks on every Indo,Soviet trade deal and defence purchases. According >to the respected Swiss magazine, Schweitzer Illustrate [November 1991 >issue], Rajiv Gandhi had about $ 2 billion in numbered Swiss bank >accounts,which Sonia inherited upon his assassination. Dr. Yevgenia Albats, >Ph.D [Harvard], is a noted Russian scholar and journalist, and was a member >of the KGB Commission set up by President Yeltsin in August 1991. She was >privy to the Soviet intelligence files that documented these deals and KGB >facilitation of the same. In her book,The State Within a State. The KGB in >Soviet Union, she even gives the file numbers of such intelligence files, >which can now be accessed by any Indian government through a formal request >to the Kremlin.> The Russsian Government in 1992 was confronted by the Albats' >disclosure; they confirmed it through their official spokesperson to the >press [which was published in Hindu in 1992], defending such financial >payments as necessary in "Soviet ideological interest".> When the Soviet Union disintegrated in 1991, things changed for Ms. >Sonia Gandhi. Her patrons evaporated. The rump that became Russia was in a >financial mess and disorder. So Ms. Sonia Gandhi became a supporter of >another communist country to the annoyance of the Russians.> The national security ramification of this 'annoyance' is now >significant: The President of Russia today is Putin, a former >dyed-in-the-wool KGB officer. Upon Dr. Manmohan Singh's government taking >office, Russia called back it's career diplomat Ambassador in New Delhi and >immediately posted as the new Ambassador a person who was the KGB station >chief in New Delhi during the 1970s. In view of Dr. Albats confirmed >revelation, it stands to reason that the new Ambassador would have known >first hand about Sonia's connections with the KGB. He may have in fact been >her "controller". The new Indian government which is defacto Sonia's, >cannot afford to annoy him or even disregard Russian demands coming from >him? They will obviously placate him so as not to risk exposure. Is this >not a major national security risk and a delicate matter for the nation?> Of course, all Indians would like good normal and healthy relations with >Russia. Who can forget their assistance to us in times of need? Today's >Russia is the residual legatee of that Soviet Union which helped India. But >just because of that, should we tolerate those in our government set up >having clandestine links with a foreign spy agency? In the United States, >the government did not tolerate an American spying for Israel even though >the two countries are as close as any two countries can be. National >security and friendship are asdifferent as chalk and cheese.> In December 2001, I had filed a Writ Petition in the Delhi High Court >with the photocopies of the KGB documents, and sought a CBI investigation, >which the Vajpayee Government was refusing. Earlier, Minister of State for >CBI, Vasundara Raje [now Rajasthan CM], on my letter dated March 3, 2001, >had ordered the CBI to investigate. But after Sonia Gandhi and her party >stalled the proceedings of Parliament on this issue, the then Prime >Minister Vajpayee cancelled Vasundara's direction to the CBI.> The Delhi High Court issued a direction to the CBI to ascertain from >Russia the truth of my charges. The CBI procrastinated for three years, and >finally told the Court without an FIR registered the Russians will not >entertain any such query. But who stopped the CBI from registering an FIR? >The next hearing of the case is on September 8th.> ---------> V> After Sonia married Rajiv, she went about minting money with scant >regard for Indian laws and treasures. Within a few years the Mainos went >from utter poverty to billionaires. There was no area that was left out for >the rip-off. On November 19, 1974, as fresh entrant to Parliament, I asked >the then Prime Minister Ms. Indira Gandhi on the floor of the House if her >daughter-in-law, Sonia Gandhi was acting as an insurance agent of a public >sector insurance company [Oriental Fire & Insurance], giving the Prime >Minister's official residence as her business address, and using undue >influence to insure all the officers of the PMO while remaining an Italian >citizen [thus violating FERA]? There was uproar in Parliament, but Mrs. >Indira Gandhi had no alternative but to cut her losses. She made a rare >admission that it was so, and that it was by mistake, but that Sonia had >resigned from her insurance agent status [after my question]. But Sonia was >incorrigible. Her contempt for> Indian law continued to manifest.> The Justice A.C. Gupta Commission set up by the Janata Party government >in 1977 came out with a voluminous report on the Maruti Company then owned >by the Gandhi family, and has listed eight violations of FERA, Companies >Act, and Foreigners Registration Act by Sonia Gandhi. She was never >prosecuted, but can be still prosecuted because under Indian law, economic >crimes not subject to the statute of limitation.> In January 1980, Indira Gandhi returned as Prime Minister. The first >thing Sonia did was to enroll herself as a voter. This was a gross >violation of the law, enough to cause cancellation of her visa [since she >was admittedly an Italian citizen then]. There was some hullabaloo in the >press about it, so the Delhi Chief Electoral Officer got her name deleted >in 1982. But in January 1983, she again enrolled herself as a voter! Such >is her revealed disdain for Indian laws and that is her mindset even today.> VI> The bottom line observed in Sonia's mindset is that she can always run >back to Italy if she becomes vulnerable at anytime. In Peru, President >Fujimori who all along claimed to be "born Peruvian", faced with a >corruption charge fled to Japan with his loot and reclaimed his Japanese >citizenship.> In 1977, when the Janata Party defeated the Congress at the polls, and >formed the government, Sonia with her two children, abandoned Indira Gandhi >and ran to the Italian Embassy in New Delhi and hid there. Rajiv Gandhi was >a government servant then [as an Indian Airlines pilot], but he too tagged >along and hid in that foreign embassy ! Such was her baneful influence on >him. Rajiv did snap out Sonia's influence after 1989, but alas he was >assassinated before he could rectify it. Those close to Rajiv knew that he >was planning set things right about Sonia after the 1991 elections. She did >too know of it because he had told her. Ever wonder why Sonia's closest >advisers are those whom Rajiv literally hated? Ambika Soni is one such >name. Ever wonder why she asked the President of India to set aside, on a >mercy petition, the Supreme Court judgment directing that Rajiv Gandhi's >LTTE killers be hanged to death, when she was not similarly moved for >Satwant Singh who killed Indira> Gandhi or recently for Dhanajoy Chattopadhyaya? The explanation for this >special consideration for the LTTE lies in what Rajiv had told her in 1990.> Those who have no love for India will not hesitate to plunder her >treasures. Mohammed Ghori, Nadir Shah, and the British scum in the East >India Company made no secret of it. But Sonia Gandhi has been more >discreet, but as greedy, in her looting of Indian treasures. When Indira >Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi were PrimeMinisters, not a day passed when the PM's >security did not go to the New Delhi, or Chennai international airport to >send crates and crates unchecked by customs to Rome. Air India and Alitalia >were the carriers. Mr. Arjun Singh first as CM, later as Union Minister in >charge of Culture was her hatchet man. Indian temple sculpture of gods and >goddesses, antiques, pichwai paintings, shatoosh shawls, coins, and you >name it, were transported to Italy to be first displayed in two shops owned >by her sister [ i.e., Anuskha alias Alessandra]. These shops located in >blue-collar areas of Rivolta [shop name: Etnica] and Orbassano [shop >name:Ganpati] did little business because> which blue collar Italian wants Indian antiques? The shops were to make >false bills, and thereafter these treasures were taken to London for >auction by Sotheby's and Christies. Some of this ill-gotten money from >auction went into Rahul Gandhi's National way into the Gandhi family >account in the Bank of America in Cayman Islands.> Rahul's expenses and tuition fees for the one-year he was at Harvard, >was paid from the Cayman Island account. What kind of people are these >Gandhi-Mainos that bite the very hand of Bharat Mata that fed them and gave >them a good life? How can the nation trust such greedy thieves?> Since I failed to persuade the Vajpayee government to defend India's >treasures from plunder by the Mainos, I approached the Delhi High Court in >a PIL. The first Bench of the court issued notice to the Government, but >since the Indian government dragged it's feet, the Court directed the CBI >to seek Interpol's and Italian government's help. The Italian government >justifiably asked for a Letter Rogatory for which a FIR is a pre-requisite. >But the Interpol did oblige and submitted two voluminous reports, which the >Court directed the CBI to hand over to me. But CBI has refused, and has >claimed privilege! The CBI has also been caught lying in court by telling >the judges that Alessandra Maino is a name of a man, and Via Bellini 14, >Orbassano is a name of a village [not the street address of the Maino's >residence]. Although the CBI counsel had to apologise to the court stating >he made a mistake, he has been promoted to Additional Solicitor General by >the new government! The> Vajpayee-Sonia mutual assistance pact is in full view. The case now comes >up on September 8th.> But the most sinister aspect of Sonia Gandhi's character is her >connection with terrorists. I am still working on it, but she has had long >connection with the Habash group of Palestinian, and has funded Palestinian >families that lost their kith and kin in a suicide bombing or hijacking >episode. This, Rajiv Gandhi himself told me and was confirmed to me [the >funding] by Yassir Arafat when I met him in Tunis on October 17, 1990 at >the request of Rajiv Gandhi. Rajiv Gandhi and I were good friends from >1978, but became very close buddies after V.P. Singh had betrayed him in >1987. We met practically every day, mostly in the early hours from 1AM to >4AM. It was at my suggestion that he made Chandrashekhar the PM. And >contrary to public impression, he was not mainly responsible for the fall >of Chandrashekar government in which I was a Minister.> Besides the Palestinian extremists, the Maino family have had extensive >business dealings with Saddam Hussein, and surprisingly with the LTTE ["the >Tamil Tigers"] since 1984. Sonia's mother Paola Predebon Maino, and >businessman Ottavio Quattrocchi were the main contacts with the Tigers. The >mother used the LTTE for money laundering and Quattrocchi for selling >weapons to earn commissions.> Sonia's conduit to the LTTE has been and is through Arjun Singh who uses >Bangalore as the nodal point for contact. There is a string of >circumstantial evidence pointing to the prima facie possibility that the >Maino family may have contracted the LTTE to kill Rajiv Gandhi. The family >may have assured the LTTE that nothing would happen to them because they >would ensure it is blamed on the Sikhs or the evidence so much fudged that >no court would convict them. But D.R. Karthikeyan of the CBI who led the >SIT>investigation got the support of Narasimha Rao and cracked the case, and >got the LTTE convicted in the trial court, and which conviction was upheld >in the Supreme Court.> Although on the involvement of Congress Party in the assassination, DRK >soft peddled on a number of leads perhaps because he did not want political >controversy to put roadblocks on his investigation as a whole. The Justice >J. S. Verma Commission, which was set up as the last official act of the >Chandrashekhar government before demitting office on June 21, 1991, did >find that the Congress leaders had disrupted the security arrangements for >the Sriperumbudur meeting. The Commission wanted further probe into it but >the Rao government rejected that demand. In the meantime under Sonia's >pressure, the Jain Commission was set up by the Rao government, which tried >to muddy the waters and thus exonerate the LTTE. But the trial court >judgment convicting the LTTE came earlier, and that sinister effort too >failed.> Nowadays, Sonia is quite unabashed in having political alliance with >those who praise Rajiv Gandhi's killers. No Indian widow would ever do >that. My investigations into Sonia's involvement in Rajiv's assassination >is therefore still on. I am also author of a best seller titled >Assassination Of Rajiv Gandhi,Unasked Questions and Unanswered Queri
Friday, September 28, 2007
TO BE READ BY ISLAMIC CRITICS OF HINDUISM/SEE HOW CONCEPTS MERGES
Friday, September 15, 2006
Why Koran says all idiolators should be slained.? does that include todays hindus also? why they are so protected from outside thoughts? why they are afraid of their priests? more over why they fear God insted of loving him?Because this teaching was necessary at that period of time because men in that area more like animals than man. They had to be uplifted from that level to a little bit civilised animals to live along with the most prominant cultures of that time which included India.So it doesnt mean that all should follow teachings of Koran. In India people are unknowingly leading a life dipped in spirituality which is spread all across the country which acted as an invsible connecting thread between the different coultures of this country.Thus preserving the teachings of vedas for thousands of years.If not what do think about the power which holded together this nation for milleniums.
For a man who lives in a higher level of spirituality, the teachings meant for a lower level is totally unnecessary. I am not a hindu extremist or an arrogant hindu. But i am speaking the truth which is conveniently not spoken because of fear or politis.
In Indian culture spiritual books are divided into two types.
1.Smruthis,
2.Shruthis,
Smruthis are books containing spiritual information for only a period of time and is meant for people who live in a particular area.It will be dealing with problems and situations of that particular sect of people.If it is applied to another set of people who live in a different place in the same time it may not be of great help to raise them to a higher level of spirituality.
Shrutis are books of knowledge which can be applied to any set of people at any time any where in the world. It deals mainly with improving ones spiritual powers and understanding.It may not be an easy task to follow it accuratly,but if follwed it will defenetly give result to the follower.It will raise him or her to what ever level of spirituality.
If we consider Koran it is meant for a particular time period in Middle East when people were living in utmost chaoes and ignorence.They were more animals than men.
Mohammed was given the knowledge of Koran and he started a new religion which prophesed a much more disciplined life.At that time people were good at doing business and it was the main way of living.
So if we notice we can see lot of mentions about doing good business and how to be a honest businessman.Lot of knowledge was talked in a way which can be understood by a common man who followed a life style of that time
.As countries and cultures were not connected at that time it needed special care to make the teachings acceptable to people of that particular intelligence level. For example Koran says that if god bless man he will be given power to do business through out the year , in heat and cold as well.If we consider hinduism , it is a well known and accepted fact that people who follow thier Sadhana or spiritual practices seriously will attain Sidhis or supernatural abilities which will make them free from sensations of heat and cold.This fact was described in Koran in a way which was understandable to men of limited exposure to other customs cultures and teachings.
It asked materialistic people to donate a percentage of their earning to the poor because such actions were rare among the people at that time.
It even told to Kill /Slaine all the idolators,which was mistook by its followers in a later time.It said so because at that time there were private gods created by the rich and powerful inorder to lute the poor and people used to manipulate everythingwith the help of these private gods.Clans were formed after such kinds of gods and wars were frequent.They were so ignorent ,that they never were able to correct themselves.So the only way to avoid their offensive actions were offense itself. And more imortantly ,people who follwed Mohammed and coverted to Muslims were peace lovers and they feared fighting. Koran made them fight for their survival.
They were shown the mightly powers of Allah when a small no.of them fought a big professional army of powerful enemies. The war was won by muslims and that boosted their confidence.
Nothing mentioned in Koran cannot be said as against god.But we have to understand the it was ment for people of that time mostly.People may say that Koran is full of other things that can be used in this period of time too.But see if the verse'slain all the idolators' is being obeyed by all muslims today.They will have to kill 1/3rd of the earth population.
As we take not of actions of Mohammed , we can understand that the confidence somewhere became overconfidence in him, which later on poured to all muslims fanatics throught out the world. He , later on insisted to fight a war which was easily avoided by staying inside his fort.All the older ones suggested that they need not fight it.but Mohammed insisted that Allah helped them before and will help them now too.Here we can see how he understood the Power of God. In the first time the war was necessary and if they wont win they would have been eliminated.N situations like this throughout history God had helped the poor and needy,like Moses ,Kuchela,Pandavas etc etc. But an intelligent person who understand God will never try to do offense n the name of God.
Actually from this historical blunder Mohammed himself started offense against people what he thought was needed.And fanatic muslims are continuing that practice.But they dont realise that in that fatal war Mohammed was badly wounded which lead to his death later on.
This will happen to them also. This is Gods law.It is written clearly in Koran that ;if one kills a man it is like killing all the people of earth; Why dont they read these sentenceses? i wonder.
In Koran it is written that in the end of time everything will be taken back by god as one unit. This is clearly an indication of the ultimate truth of creation and the building units of everything is the same,which even science cannot deny now.We have to have knowledge about all religions and thoughts . Then only we will be able to compare them and find out a greater meaning which will usually hidden inside these kind of books, which is the real meaning.See what Jesus had said.'perls should not be thrown among pigs' where he ment knowledge should not be given to people who dont deserve it.
Once he was questioned as usual by his enemies on why they cannot have five wives when old testament allowed them five wives. The answer of Jesus is Very imprtant in the above said aspect, He said' it was said so because of the hard ness of your hearts' . This indicated how knowledge is given to man.It is given to men who can digest it.Others who dont understand it may mock it.
To receive divine knowledge preparation of mind and body is necessary.This is a major teaching of Vedas in India.If a man's mind and body is not prepared to receive knowledge he or she may misinterpret it and do lot of unwanted things which they think is correct. For example Mohammed after meditation in a remote place understood the power of silence and detatchment. So he brought a new set of rules among Muslims . He insisted that muslims should move away from entertaining their senses.So he asked them to move away from dance,drama,music etc which is practiced even now by hard core Muslims.This is right in case of a man or woman who is taken the spirituality as their destination and salvation their aim. But for a common man this is dangerous.Without these relaxation methods his mind can become insensitive and dry and will do the opposite to what Mohammed had intended.
As i have heard and understood ,Mohammed is the best example of a man who got divine knowledge without proper prepareaton of body and mind.
In Indian culture there are several methods to detoxify ones body and mind so that enables one to receive devinity. this has been mentioned as Yoga which means joing with the almighty.But if one does not practice it as per rules he or she cannot comment on these methods.I suggest all Indian people should try these methods irrespective of religion or cast.Any way Indians are Indians.All Indian knowledge is for them and for the world.There is nothing like only for Hindus or nothing means that Indian is hindu.India is for knowldege. If you cannot get it from India , there is no use in living in it.
Koran entertains accepting other religions.It says that nothing takes place whithout the knowledge of god.so it tells that all religions are made by God.
I HAVE NO TIME NOW TO COMPLETE THIS . PLEASE READ MY OTHER TWO BLOGS TOO.(WHAT SEMETIC RELIGIONS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT HINDUISM, AND KRISHNA AND GOPIS. )
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lalit Friday, September 15, 2006 7:04:45 PM
ab humko unka chit shuddi karne ka hi kaam hai
jj Friday, September 15, 2006 10:59:17 PM
religion is the life and soul of india. Take away the hindu religion and there will be no india leftlook at hinduism. The very embodiment of variety. where life is a celebration. so many cusines, so many gods, so many holy places, so many holy books, so many dance forms, so many forms of music, so many ways to reach god, So many festivalsHinduism is similar to the rainbowIf a dog looks at the rainbow and barks at its sheer variety and criticizes it in the name of idolatory and other thingswe shouldnt bother. Because that is all the dog knows
raj1057 Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:34:43 PM
Hi chith aravind, a very good and honest attempt to understand the different times and surroundings during which religious thoughts and principles emerged. The fact of the matter is no religion advocates violence as the means to the end. Even in hinduism killing is allowed, only when all attempts of reason has failed and to uphold righteousnous. (Dharma). Defenitely not in the name of Jehad. I only hope our staunch muslim brethern ( iam talking about the indian muslim)realise this and learn to live in peace and harmony with thier hindu counterparts. Congrats once again for a very nice article.
q Friday, September 22, 2006 8:56:11 PM
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Shahul Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:35:24 AM
Hi chith aravind... The article was very nice. I totally agree with you to some extend. You have explained that all religion made/created by god. But, religion does not depends on the region. It is for all HUMAN KIND in the EARTH. So, you cannot say that indians should follow Hindu and Arabs should follow Islam.Purity of Gold is not verified by calling it by different names in different languages but rubbing it against a Touchstone. In the same way, gold can be called sona in Hindi, gold in English, dhahaba in Arabic. Inspite of knowing all these different names for gold, if a person wants to sell you his gold jewellery and says this is 24 carat pure sona, you will not blindly believe, without verifying it with a goldsmith. The goldsmith confirms whether it is gold or not with the help of a touchstone. The yellow glittering jewellery may not be gold, because all that glitters is not gold.
Guru Friday, December 15, 2006 12:03:16 PM
Hello Chith Arvind...This is again mis-understood. Quraan never says kills idol worshipper..It has been always taken out of context.If it says so then....The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If Quran mentioned kills idol worshipper then there would have no non-muslim in India today.All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Quraan doesnt say Kills idol worshipper.14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians. Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. If Quraan orders to kill Idol worshipper then how these 14 million catholic christians are Arabs
yash Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:14:23 PM
The religion themselves are not wrong...but the followers are. In every religion there are bad guys. But its really unfortunate that one particular religion has too many of them and they are causing all these problem....
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:38:40 AM
We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:39:57 AM
4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battleSimilarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, "Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:41:41 AM
6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."[Al-Qur’an 9:6]The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security? This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:42:55 AM
I AM AJMAL RASHID.A DISCIPLE OF DR. ZAKIR NAIK.I HAVE READ AND UNDERSTOOD QURAAN VERY WELL.WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE VERSE OF SURAH TAUBA."Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them."[Al-Qur’an 9:5]2. Context of verse is during battlefieldCritics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."[Al-Qur’an 9:5]This verse is quoted during a battle.
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:56:43 AM
SO I REQUEST U TO READ QURAAN AND NOT THE BOOKS OF THE CRITICS BEFORE WRITING ANY THING AGAINST ISLAM OR QURAAN.AND WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT THE VEDAS.THESE UPPER CASTE AND LOWER CASTE IS A MONOPOLY OF HINDUISM.VEDAS TEACH THAT SHUDRA WEREW CREATED FROMN THE LEGS OF GOD AND THE BRAHMANS FROM THE HEAD.VEDAS PRWEACH THAT THE DALITS ARE UNTOUCHABLES.U CAN GET HUNDREDS OF SUCH REFERENCES FROM THE UPANISHADS,THE VEDAS AND THE MAHA BHARATA.ISLAM AND QURAAN PREACHES THAT NO ARAB IS SUPERIOR THAN ANY NON ARAB OR ANY NON ARAB SUPERIOR TO ANY ARAB.IT STARTYED THE FUNDAMENTAKLS OF HUMAN RIGHTS.AND AFTER THAT U TRY TO BEFOOL OTHERS BY SAYING THAT SHUDRAS COULD ALSO BECOME BRAHMANS BY THEIR WORKS.THEN I ASK U "IS ANY WORK SMALL OR BIG".IS CLEANING OF TOILETS SMALL WORK .WHOM DO U TRY TO BEFOOL.?????
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:00:49 PM
AND IT IS OPEN TRUTH THAT EVEN TODAY THEY CAN NOT ENTER UR TEMPLKES.THE EDITOR OF DALIT VOICE,MR V T RAJSHEKHAR WRITES THAT THEY ARE BEING BEFOOLED BY SAYING THAT THEY ARE HINDUS.THEY ARE ONLY ENTITLED HINDUS FOR THE SAKE OF VOTE BANK
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 2:49:13 PM
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chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 2:55:12 PM
Dear Ajmal rashid,I can understand your frustration and rage.I agree with you regarding what is written about violence. That is why i say that for a new and calm world the teachings are not necessary if it is not interpreted by intelligent people. The reason you can see around you.All the wars and terrorism and killings has connection with the name Muslim.You cannot deny it.if so you are not a person worth talking to.Try to open up and see
Irshad4u Monday, April 16, 2007 2:55:39 PM
Very Well Said Ajmal
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 2:56:28 PM
Dear Ajmal rashid,I can understand your frustration and rage.I agree with you regarding what is written about violence. That is why i say that for a new and calm world the teachings are not necessary if it is not interpreted by intelligent people.
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 2:59:42 PM
Dear Ajmal rashid,I can understand your frustration and rage.I agree with you regarding what is written about violence. That is why i say that for a new and calm world the teachings are not necessary if it is not interpreted by intelligent people. The reason you can see around you.All the wars and terrorism and killings has connection with the name Muslim.You cannot deny it.if so you are not a person worth talking to.Try to open up and see that there are different paths to god.For people like me there is nothing which is helpful in Islam to make my mind evolve to god.But modern physics like theory of relativity and the mysicism of Budhists and vedas give me lot of space and hope.It is again your lack of understanding about vedas and cast system make you think that work is the basis of division. in the modern world you can see this division everywhere.those who are aiming to purify their minds and body are brahmins of course. if you restrain from meat eating and meditation for long periods and live according to the instructions of veda you will also become brahmin.but hindus also misinterpreted it and priests used it to take advantage for themselves. But thank god they didnt ask anyone to fight holywar and kill innocents. Even n Muslims this cast system is evident.According to todays muslims Arabs of saudi are higher than others .Indian muslims are not even considered as muslims.there is shiya sunni.Sufism the only real path with a depth is really ignored.
Irshad4u Monday, April 16, 2007 3:27:08 PM
To chith1890 "If you want your life to be more rewarding, you have to change the way you think."Irshad
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 4:12:06 PM
Dear Ajmal rashid,I can understand your frustration and rage.I agree with you regarding what is written about violence. That is why i say that for a new and calm world the teachings are not necessary if it is not interpreted by intelligent people.
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 4:19:48 PM
I am absolutly sure of how to get rewarded mr isshad.And i dont fear god like you people do. and i dont need the heaven that you are hoping for.I am free and you dont understand that freedom. Dont live life only for rewards. there is a life and deep thoughts of sciece and culture other than you know which practices what it propheces. Which teaches to love all and love the nature and respect the living and the dead because ther is no dead matter in this universe.But people who live like any other animal in the world wont understnad it .Excuse me brother..pls try to broaden your minds.I know it is impossible for you to understand me.But for the wise this will benefit.
MKB Monday, September 3, 2007 6:55:56 PM
Arre bhai, 101 times yeh discussion has been held on this nonsense ndtv blogsite, now u r starting again? Please take a poopcee and do something else
Why Koran says all idiolators should be slained.? does that include todays hindus also? why they are so protected from outside thoughts? why they are afraid of their priests? more over why they fear God insted of loving him?Because this teaching was necessary at that period of time because men in that area more like animals than man. They had to be uplifted from that level to a little bit civilised animals to live along with the most prominant cultures of that time which included India.So it doesnt mean that all should follow teachings of Koran. In India people are unknowingly leading a life dipped in spirituality which is spread all across the country which acted as an invsible connecting thread between the different coultures of this country.Thus preserving the teachings of vedas for thousands of years.If not what do think about the power which holded together this nation for milleniums.
For a man who lives in a higher level of spirituality, the teachings meant for a lower level is totally unnecessary. I am not a hindu extremist or an arrogant hindu. But i am speaking the truth which is conveniently not spoken because of fear or politis.
In Indian culture spiritual books are divided into two types.
1.Smruthis,
2.Shruthis,
Smruthis are books containing spiritual information for only a period of time and is meant for people who live in a particular area.It will be dealing with problems and situations of that particular sect of people.If it is applied to another set of people who live in a different place in the same time it may not be of great help to raise them to a higher level of spirituality.
Shrutis are books of knowledge which can be applied to any set of people at any time any where in the world. It deals mainly with improving ones spiritual powers and understanding.It may not be an easy task to follow it accuratly,but if follwed it will defenetly give result to the follower.It will raise him or her to what ever level of spirituality.
If we consider Koran it is meant for a particular time period in Middle East when people were living in utmost chaoes and ignorence.They were more animals than men.
Mohammed was given the knowledge of Koran and he started a new religion which prophesed a much more disciplined life.At that time people were good at doing business and it was the main way of living.
So if we notice we can see lot of mentions about doing good business and how to be a honest businessman.Lot of knowledge was talked in a way which can be understood by a common man who followed a life style of that time
.As countries and cultures were not connected at that time it needed special care to make the teachings acceptable to people of that particular intelligence level. For example Koran says that if god bless man he will be given power to do business through out the year , in heat and cold as well.If we consider hinduism , it is a well known and accepted fact that people who follow thier Sadhana or spiritual practices seriously will attain Sidhis or supernatural abilities which will make them free from sensations of heat and cold.This fact was described in Koran in a way which was understandable to men of limited exposure to other customs cultures and teachings.
It asked materialistic people to donate a percentage of their earning to the poor because such actions were rare among the people at that time.
It even told to Kill /Slaine all the idolators,which was mistook by its followers in a later time.It said so because at that time there were private gods created by the rich and powerful inorder to lute the poor and people used to manipulate everythingwith the help of these private gods.Clans were formed after such kinds of gods and wars were frequent.They were so ignorent ,that they never were able to correct themselves.So the only way to avoid their offensive actions were offense itself. And more imortantly ,people who follwed Mohammed and coverted to Muslims were peace lovers and they feared fighting. Koran made them fight for their survival.
They were shown the mightly powers of Allah when a small no.of them fought a big professional army of powerful enemies. The war was won by muslims and that boosted their confidence.
Nothing mentioned in Koran cannot be said as against god.But we have to understand the it was ment for people of that time mostly.People may say that Koran is full of other things that can be used in this period of time too.But see if the verse'slain all the idolators' is being obeyed by all muslims today.They will have to kill 1/3rd of the earth population.
As we take not of actions of Mohammed , we can understand that the confidence somewhere became overconfidence in him, which later on poured to all muslims fanatics throught out the world. He , later on insisted to fight a war which was easily avoided by staying inside his fort.All the older ones suggested that they need not fight it.but Mohammed insisted that Allah helped them before and will help them now too.Here we can see how he understood the Power of God. In the first time the war was necessary and if they wont win they would have been eliminated.N situations like this throughout history God had helped the poor and needy,like Moses ,Kuchela,Pandavas etc etc. But an intelligent person who understand God will never try to do offense n the name of God.
Actually from this historical blunder Mohammed himself started offense against people what he thought was needed.And fanatic muslims are continuing that practice.But they dont realise that in that fatal war Mohammed was badly wounded which lead to his death later on.
This will happen to them also. This is Gods law.It is written clearly in Koran that ;if one kills a man it is like killing all the people of earth; Why dont they read these sentenceses? i wonder.
In Koran it is written that in the end of time everything will be taken back by god as one unit. This is clearly an indication of the ultimate truth of creation and the building units of everything is the same,which even science cannot deny now.We have to have knowledge about all religions and thoughts . Then only we will be able to compare them and find out a greater meaning which will usually hidden inside these kind of books, which is the real meaning.See what Jesus had said.'perls should not be thrown among pigs' where he ment knowledge should not be given to people who dont deserve it.
Once he was questioned as usual by his enemies on why they cannot have five wives when old testament allowed them five wives. The answer of Jesus is Very imprtant in the above said aspect, He said' it was said so because of the hard ness of your hearts' . This indicated how knowledge is given to man.It is given to men who can digest it.Others who dont understand it may mock it.
To receive divine knowledge preparation of mind and body is necessary.This is a major teaching of Vedas in India.If a man's mind and body is not prepared to receive knowledge he or she may misinterpret it and do lot of unwanted things which they think is correct. For example Mohammed after meditation in a remote place understood the power of silence and detatchment. So he brought a new set of rules among Muslims . He insisted that muslims should move away from entertaining their senses.So he asked them to move away from dance,drama,music etc which is practiced even now by hard core Muslims.This is right in case of a man or woman who is taken the spirituality as their destination and salvation their aim. But for a common man this is dangerous.Without these relaxation methods his mind can become insensitive and dry and will do the opposite to what Mohammed had intended.
As i have heard and understood ,Mohammed is the best example of a man who got divine knowledge without proper prepareaton of body and mind.
In Indian culture there are several methods to detoxify ones body and mind so that enables one to receive devinity. this has been mentioned as Yoga which means joing with the almighty.But if one does not practice it as per rules he or she cannot comment on these methods.I suggest all Indian people should try these methods irrespective of religion or cast.Any way Indians are Indians.All Indian knowledge is for them and for the world.There is nothing like only for Hindus or nothing means that Indian is hindu.India is for knowldege. If you cannot get it from India , there is no use in living in it.
Koran entertains accepting other religions.It says that nothing takes place whithout the knowledge of god.so it tells that all religions are made by God.
I HAVE NO TIME NOW TO COMPLETE THIS . PLEASE READ MY OTHER TWO BLOGS TOO.(WHAT SEMETIC RELIGIONS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT HINDUISM, AND KRISHNA AND GOPIS. )
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lalit Friday, September 15, 2006 7:04:45 PM
ab humko unka chit shuddi karne ka hi kaam hai
jj Friday, September 15, 2006 10:59:17 PM
religion is the life and soul of india. Take away the hindu religion and there will be no india leftlook at hinduism. The very embodiment of variety. where life is a celebration. so many cusines, so many gods, so many holy places, so many holy books, so many dance forms, so many forms of music, so many ways to reach god, So many festivalsHinduism is similar to the rainbowIf a dog looks at the rainbow and barks at its sheer variety and criticizes it in the name of idolatory and other thingswe shouldnt bother. Because that is all the dog knows
raj1057 Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:34:43 PM
Hi chith aravind, a very good and honest attempt to understand the different times and surroundings during which religious thoughts and principles emerged. The fact of the matter is no religion advocates violence as the means to the end. Even in hinduism killing is allowed, only when all attempts of reason has failed and to uphold righteousnous. (Dharma). Defenitely not in the name of Jehad. I only hope our staunch muslim brethern ( iam talking about the indian muslim)realise this and learn to live in peace and harmony with thier hindu counterparts. Congrats once again for a very nice article.
q Friday, September 22, 2006 8:56:11 PM
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Shahul Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:35:24 AM
Hi chith aravind... The article was very nice. I totally agree with you to some extend. You have explained that all religion made/created by god. But, religion does not depends on the region. It is for all HUMAN KIND in the EARTH. So, you cannot say that indians should follow Hindu and Arabs should follow Islam.Purity of Gold is not verified by calling it by different names in different languages but rubbing it against a Touchstone. In the same way, gold can be called sona in Hindi, gold in English, dhahaba in Arabic. Inspite of knowing all these different names for gold, if a person wants to sell you his gold jewellery and says this is 24 carat pure sona, you will not blindly believe, without verifying it with a goldsmith. The goldsmith confirms whether it is gold or not with the help of a touchstone. The yellow glittering jewellery may not be gold, because all that glitters is not gold.
Guru Friday, December 15, 2006 12:03:16 PM
Hello Chith Arvind...This is again mis-understood. Quraan never says kills idol worshipper..It has been always taken out of context.If it says so then....The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If Quran mentioned kills idol worshipper then there would have no non-muslim in India today.All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Quraan doesnt say Kills idol worshipper.14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians. Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. If Quraan orders to kill Idol worshipper then how these 14 million catholic christians are Arabs
yash Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:14:23 PM
The religion themselves are not wrong...but the followers are. In every religion there are bad guys. But its really unfortunate that one particular religion has too many of them and they are causing all these problem....
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:38:40 AM
We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:39:57 AM
4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battleSimilarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, "Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:41:41 AM
6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."[Al-Qur’an 9:6]The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security? This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:42:55 AM
I AM AJMAL RASHID.A DISCIPLE OF DR. ZAKIR NAIK.I HAVE READ AND UNDERSTOOD QURAAN VERY WELL.WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE VERSE OF SURAH TAUBA."Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them."[Al-Qur’an 9:5]2. Context of verse is during battlefieldCritics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."[Al-Qur’an 9:5]This verse is quoted during a battle.
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:56:43 AM
SO I REQUEST U TO READ QURAAN AND NOT THE BOOKS OF THE CRITICS BEFORE WRITING ANY THING AGAINST ISLAM OR QURAAN.AND WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT THE VEDAS.THESE UPPER CASTE AND LOWER CASTE IS A MONOPOLY OF HINDUISM.VEDAS TEACH THAT SHUDRA WEREW CREATED FROMN THE LEGS OF GOD AND THE BRAHMANS FROM THE HEAD.VEDAS PRWEACH THAT THE DALITS ARE UNTOUCHABLES.U CAN GET HUNDREDS OF SUCH REFERENCES FROM THE UPANISHADS,THE VEDAS AND THE MAHA BHARATA.ISLAM AND QURAAN PREACHES THAT NO ARAB IS SUPERIOR THAN ANY NON ARAB OR ANY NON ARAB SUPERIOR TO ANY ARAB.IT STARTYED THE FUNDAMENTAKLS OF HUMAN RIGHTS.AND AFTER THAT U TRY TO BEFOOL OTHERS BY SAYING THAT SHUDRAS COULD ALSO BECOME BRAHMANS BY THEIR WORKS.THEN I ASK U "IS ANY WORK SMALL OR BIG".IS CLEANING OF TOILETS SMALL WORK .WHOM DO U TRY TO BEFOOL.?????
AJMAL RASHID Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:00:49 PM
AND IT IS OPEN TRUTH THAT EVEN TODAY THEY CAN NOT ENTER UR TEMPLKES.THE EDITOR OF DALIT VOICE,MR V T RAJSHEKHAR WRITES THAT THEY ARE BEING BEFOOLED BY SAYING THAT THEY ARE HINDUS.THEY ARE ONLY ENTITLED HINDUS FOR THE SAKE OF VOTE BANK
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 2:49:13 PM
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chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 2:55:12 PM
Dear Ajmal rashid,I can understand your frustration and rage.I agree with you regarding what is written about violence. That is why i say that for a new and calm world the teachings are not necessary if it is not interpreted by intelligent people. The reason you can see around you.All the wars and terrorism and killings has connection with the name Muslim.You cannot deny it.if so you are not a person worth talking to.Try to open up and see
Irshad4u Monday, April 16, 2007 2:55:39 PM
Very Well Said Ajmal
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 2:56:28 PM
Dear Ajmal rashid,I can understand your frustration and rage.I agree with you regarding what is written about violence. That is why i say that for a new and calm world the teachings are not necessary if it is not interpreted by intelligent people.
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 2:59:42 PM
Dear Ajmal rashid,I can understand your frustration and rage.I agree with you regarding what is written about violence. That is why i say that for a new and calm world the teachings are not necessary if it is not interpreted by intelligent people. The reason you can see around you.All the wars and terrorism and killings has connection with the name Muslim.You cannot deny it.if so you are not a person worth talking to.Try to open up and see that there are different paths to god.For people like me there is nothing which is helpful in Islam to make my mind evolve to god.But modern physics like theory of relativity and the mysicism of Budhists and vedas give me lot of space and hope.It is again your lack of understanding about vedas and cast system make you think that work is the basis of division. in the modern world you can see this division everywhere.those who are aiming to purify their minds and body are brahmins of course. if you restrain from meat eating and meditation for long periods and live according to the instructions of veda you will also become brahmin.but hindus also misinterpreted it and priests used it to take advantage for themselves. But thank god they didnt ask anyone to fight holywar and kill innocents. Even n Muslims this cast system is evident.According to todays muslims Arabs of saudi are higher than others .Indian muslims are not even considered as muslims.there is shiya sunni.Sufism the only real path with a depth is really ignored.
Irshad4u Monday, April 16, 2007 3:27:08 PM
To chith1890 "If you want your life to be more rewarding, you have to change the way you think."Irshad
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 4:12:06 PM
Dear Ajmal rashid,I can understand your frustration and rage.I agree with you regarding what is written about violence. That is why i say that for a new and calm world the teachings are not necessary if it is not interpreted by intelligent people.
chith1890 Monday, April 16, 2007 4:19:48 PM
I am absolutly sure of how to get rewarded mr isshad.And i dont fear god like you people do. and i dont need the heaven that you are hoping for.I am free and you dont understand that freedom. Dont live life only for rewards. there is a life and deep thoughts of sciece and culture other than you know which practices what it propheces. Which teaches to love all and love the nature and respect the living and the dead because ther is no dead matter in this universe.But people who live like any other animal in the world wont understnad it .Excuse me brother..pls try to broaden your minds.I know it is impossible for you to understand me.But for the wise this will benefit.
MKB Monday, September 3, 2007 6:55:56 PM
Arre bhai, 101 times yeh discussion has been held on this nonsense ndtv blogsite, now u r starting again? Please take a poopcee and do something else
Sunday, September 23, 2007
BJP is for strong, self-respecting India: text of Advani's speech
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Following is LK Advani's speech at National Executive Meeting of BJP in Bhopal
Friends, India is at a crossroads. However, no astrologer is needed to predict the direction in which it is set to move. The direction is: early Lok Sabha elections. How early, is now the only question that remains unanswered.The answer to that question depends on how the Congress party, which heads the UPA government, proposes to deal with two destabilizing forces that have emerged within the ruling coalition.The first is the group of four Left parties, whose outside support is oxygen for the survival of the government. The second is the DMK, whose leader has conducted himself in so unbecoming a manner in the Ram Sethu matter that it has truly no parallel in the history of Indian democracy.It is said that, sometimes, a week is too long a period in politics. If we see the political developments in the past few weeks, their combined effect has so completely debilitated the government that it is accurate to say that there is no functioning government at present in Delhi. The entire government machinery is in a state of paralysis due to uncertainty created by the UPA self-destabilisation.This situation prompts the people to draw an inevitable conclusion: A government that does not function when it is in office, a government that cannot complete its term due to its own internal problems, and a government that has betrayed all the promises it made to the aam aadmi and the kisan, has no right to seek a renewed mandate whenever elections are held.The people of India are waiting eagerly for the BJP to lift the country, once again, from the morass created by the Congress party. We have a national duty to rise to the occasion. I am sure that the message from Bhopal will be such as will bring hope and confidence not only to our own supporters but also to the people at large.Three Destabilizing ForcesI mentioned that there are two destabilizing forces in the ruling coalition. As a matter of fact, there is also a third one ― and that is the Congress itself. The instability that has arisen at the Centre is primarily because of the Congress party.Firstly, the government became unstable because of the inflexible, indefensible and undemocratic stand taken by the Congress with regard to the Indo-US nuclear cooperation deal. Far from taking the nation into confidence and Parliament into confidence on an issue as vital as this, the leadership of the Congress party or the government could not even convince their own key allies.And, yet, the government seems hell-bent on going ahead with the nuclear deal. This is simply unacceptable. Everybody knows that the government has no mandate in Parliament to operationalise a deal that has been opposed by (a) the BJP and our allies in the NDA; (b) parties in the UNPA; and (c) the Left parties.The Congress leadership wants to go ahead with the deal since it does not believe in democracy and has no commitment to coalition dharma either. It knows that the government could fall because of its stand-off with the Left parties. It is sticking to its stand on the nuclear deal in spite of this knowledge, in the hope that it would emerge victorious with a larger strength in the Lok Sabha.This shows that the Congress has never truly believed in the needs of the coalition era. It still believes that it alone has the right to rule the country. Which is why, it ran the UPA government as if it was its own government, even though it had won less than 150 seats in the Lok Sabha. This is in complete contrast to the philosophy that guided, and the style that marked, the way Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee led the NDA government.Which is why, I have described the Congress party also as a destabilizing force in the UPA government. We know how in the past it has destabilized almost every non-Congress government at the Centre, including those governments that it had pledged to support “unconditionally” for five years.Expose Congress falsehood on the nuclear dealNow, it is indulging in the dangerous game of self-destabilisation of the UPA government, put the blame for it on others, and then try to seek a mandate from the people on the basis of a lie ― namely, that the Congress alone wants India’s development, that it alone is committed to India’s energy security, and all others are creating hurdles in the way by opposing the nuclear deal.Friends, the BJP must firmly counter this false, mischievous and self-serving propaganda. Our party is not opposed to India ’s energy security. How can we be, when we are wedded to the goal of making India a Developed Nation, with accelerated economic growth that benefits one and all? We should tell the people how the Congress party is compromising India ’s National Security by doggedly pursing a flawed and unequal ‘Energy Security’ deal with the United States.We should educate the people on how the Congress leadership wants to undo the gains of Pokharan II by effectively agreeing to roll back and, ultimately, eliminate India ’s nuclear capability.The entire nation had felt proud when the Vajpayee government conducted nuclear tests in May 1998. India ’s stature had risen immensely because of that courageous decision, taken in the teeth of opposition from Big Powers.We were the only party, right since our Jana Sangh days, to demand that India become a nuclear weapons state. We had supported Indira Gandhi at the time of Pokharan I in 1974.BJP is for a strong and self-respecting India ;Congress is for a weak and subservient IndiaIn contrast, both Smt. Sonia Gandhi and Dr. Manmohan Singh opposed Pokharan II.No wonder, they have succumbed to the US pressure to make India accept the NPT through the backdoor, even though every Indian Prime Minister from Indira Gandhi to Atal Bihari Vajpayee had refused to sign this discriminatory treaty.A proud and self-respecting nation like India should never accept such infringement of our sovereignty. India is not like Pakistan, which has mortgaged its sovereignty to America.The common man may not fully understand the technicalities of the nuclear deal ― the 123 agreement, the Hyde Act, etc. Nevertheless, the BJP should go on the offensive by telling our patriotic people ― for even ordinary Indians understand the language of patriotism ― that the Congress wants to weaken India’s security and sovereignty whereas the BJP wants to protect and further strengthen them. * The BJP wants friendly relations with America ― but on equal terms. * The BJP wants to catch the Nuclear Energy Bus ― but without getting off from the Nuclear Weapons Bus. * The BJP wants India to soon become a Major Global Power as one of the poles of a Multi-Polar World.In contrast, * The Congress is willing to accept ties with America on unequal terms. * The Congress is willing to get down the Nuclear Weapons Bus to accept a seat on the Nuclear Energy Bus as a favour from Big Power. * The Congress wants India to become a subordinate power in an essentially Unipolar World.A govt that denies Ram’s existence has no right to existFriends, the Congress party has destabilized the UPA government also by its blunder in the Ram Sethu issue. It was not an innocent blunder. Rather, it was the natural outcome of a systematic perversion of ‘secularism that the Congress leadership has been carrying out, in its tirade against the BJP. Although Dr. Karunanidhi’s remarks have added fuel to the fire, the question is: Who started the fire? Who was responsible for directing its counsel in the Ram Setu case to file the blasphemous affidavit in the Supreme Court?The Congress leadership withdrew the affidavit only because of the spirited protest registered by the BJP and many other organizations. But this does not constitute sufficient amends. Both the Prime Minister and the UPA Chairman owe an apology to the nation for this affidavit. Why hasn’t responsibility been fixed on the culture and law ministers?Our Party should now take the message of all that has happened in the Ram Sethu matter to every nook and corner of our country.The people will surely teach these pseudo-secularists a proper lesson.Aam aadmi and kisans will teach the govt a lessonThe country has seen a number of Lok Sabha elections in the past which have been practically single issue elections.The 1977 election was one which was decided just by the voters' answer to one question: what do you think of the Emergency?A series of succeeding elections were decided by the following key issues :1980 : Janata Party's infighting1984 : Smt. Gandhi's assassinatio1989 : Bofors ScandalAll the Lok Sabha elections, that followed Tenth General Election of 1991, the Eleventh of 1996, the Twelfth of 1998 were influenced by the Ayodhya issue.The NDA Government of 1998 did not last long but that brief tenure of 13 th months saw Pokharan II and a credible promise of a Development oriented Good Government. In 1999 therefore NDA got a renewed mandate.The UPA Government assumed office in 2004. The victory was won in the name of the Aam Aadmi.The Aam Aadmi today feels extremely betrayed – particularly because of the prices of all essential commodities.But prices aren't going to be the only issue on which the UPA Government would be in the dock in the impending Lok Sabha election. Unlike in earlier elections, the Fifteenth Elections are going to be a multiple-issue election. To mention a few : 1. Farmers Suicides 2. Dismal failure on the Internal Security front : Repeal of POTA ; Afzal and Madani cases; Massive infiltration from Bangladesh; Serious Naxalite problem. 3. Ram Setu 4. Nuclear Agreement 5. Corruption e.g. Quattrocchi 6. Devaluation of PM's office 7. To all the above issues the opportunistic nature of the UPA has made Stability a vital question. If NDA was a model alliance, the UPA has been a model of what an alliance should not be like. With such a huge majority of UPA Government seems about to go in less than four years. These are the wages of opportunism. 8. Government's failure to conduct foreign policy in a manner as to prevent the rise of anti-India forces in neighbouring countries like Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.Govt’s failure to fight terrorism is self-willedThat the government has no clear policy to fight terrorism is absolutely clear. When the Prime Minister, under foreign pressure, announces India ’s willingness to have a joint anti-terror mechanism with Pakistan , no further proof of its muddled thinking is needed.But the UPA government’s culpability is greater than what is indicated by lack of clarity. Our charge is that it has no will to counter terrorism with a firm hand because of its misplaced fear of losing minority votes.Has the UPA government succeeded in cracking, and punishing the guilty in, even a single instance of terrorist attack in the last three years? Ayodhya, Varanasi , Delhi , Bangalore , Manipur, Mumbai, Malegaon , Hyderabad ….why hasn’t the investigation in a single case reached the trial stage, not to speak of conviction?The UPA’s politics of minorityism has become a major hurdle in India’s fight against terrorism. I charge the government with communalizing India’s campaign against terrorism.I must also mention here the failure of the Congress-led government at the Centre and the Congress government in Assam to tackle the menace of ULFA terrorists, who are systematically targeting Hindi-speaking people in the state? Isn’t this linked to the larger foreign-inspired conspiracy to change the demography of Assam through infiltration from Bangladesh ?A government that has betrayed the aam aadmi, a government that has failed on the internal security front, a government that has no concern for India’s national unity, a government that is determined to undo India’s nuclear capability, and a government whose ministers are neck-deep in corruption, has no right to continue in office.I have no doubt that the people will vote it out in the next elections.From Bhopal to battlefront: With unity, determination and disciplineFriends, as I said earlier, the people are once again looking to the BJP and the NDA to lead India out of these multiple crises and problems. The people want a change.The question is: Are we ready to fulfill people’s expectations?The Bhopal meeting of the National Executive has given a clear answer: Yes, the BJP is ready.If I look back, I can say without any hesitation that it is in Bhopal that our Party has left the after-effects of the 2004 elections fully and firmly behind.In this sense, the BJP in September 2007 is now closer to March 1998 and September-October 1999.In the weeks ahead, together with our present and additional allies in the NDA, we shall present ourselves to the people as a clear, capable and reliable alternative to the UPA in the elections, whenever they are held.In short, from Bhopal all of us go back to begin work on the coming electoral battle. With unity, determination and discipline, which, traditionally, have been the hallmarks of our party.* * * * * *Before I conclude I would like to note that this is perhaps the first meeting of the party's National Executive that Atalji has had to miss because of his health. All of us naturally feel distressed about this.I would like to mention that two days immediately before the commencement of this meeting I was in Tamilnadu. I came back to Delhi on September 20 evening. Shortly after my return I called on Atalji to enquire about his health. He told me then that doctors had advised him to skip Bhopal and take some rest. However, I was very happy to find that his health had improved considerably since I had last met him. I therefore felt gratified when Rajnathji showed me Atalji's own message saying that before long he would be in our midst. Let us all pray that this happens very soon and he continues to lead and guide us as in the past.
Tuesday, August 28, 2007
"Spirit of Hyderabad" - Letter to Indian Express
8/28/2007 12:16:11 PM H.Balakrishnan
Dear Sir,
Hyderabad is again in the news for all the wrong reasons!! Twin Blasts on 25 Aug.
The "USUAL HOMILIES" will pour forth from our "DHIMMI SECULAR NETAS". The torrent has already started!! (A)- 'Its an act of cowardice', - Renuka Chowdry, (B)- 'It was done to create panic'- Thingummy Doud, Former Home Minister AP, (C)- 'Do not panic, maintain calm' - Y "Samuel" Reddy!! Then the "CACAPHONY" will become a 'torrent'.Then will follow the 'usual FLYING visits' of these 'netas' to get phot-ops by being at the bedside of the wounded,in hospitals.Inconvenience to all concerned is a minor matter!!
Not to be left behind,the 'secular' English media will burst forth into a flood of Articles highlighting the "SPIRIT OF HYDERABAD".Some will then,in rare 'investigative brilliance ' point the needle of suspicion ' at some 'phantom unbearded denizens' behind the blasts!! The T.V. Channels will go beserk,each trying to outdo the other in 'fabricating headlines' and 'stories'!! How 'sources' say it was RDX. And then there will be a contradiction in another channel about how it was a 'mixture of 'RDX+something'. Not to be outdone,a third will scream how 'the pressure cooker came to boil'!! And then will follow a 'JUGALBANDHI SESSION ' against the backdrop of the 'CHARMINAR'. A must for this show is for the prima donnas to prominently display the 'GREEN' and 'SAFFRON' JERSEYS!! WE LIVE IN THE MAUDLIN SEASON!!
Of course,'SLEEPLESS' Race Course Road will say how these despicable blasts will have no effect on the 'PEACE PROCESS'.After all,there is the 'HAVANA DECLARATION'!!And the NATIONAL (IN)SECURITY ADVISOR will return to the familiar 'I TOLD YOU' homily!!
And,after about ten days of this burlusque, Hyderabad will be off the radar of all concerned. It will be '1-2-3-' as usual!! No one will be apprehended. Isn't that how the script played out after Delhi, Varanasi,Malegaon,Mumbai etc etc?
And, we lived happily thereafter,until the 'NEXT BLAST'when the same script will be repeated once again!!
WARM REGARDS
H.Balakrishnan'ATHREYA'A1/8-FLAT-522nd CROSS STREETBESANTNAGARCHENNAI-600 090
Dear Sir,
Hyderabad is again in the news for all the wrong reasons!! Twin Blasts on 25 Aug.
The "USUAL HOMILIES" will pour forth from our "DHIMMI SECULAR NETAS". The torrent has already started!! (A)- 'Its an act of cowardice', - Renuka Chowdry, (B)- 'It was done to create panic'- Thingummy Doud, Former Home Minister AP, (C)- 'Do not panic, maintain calm' - Y "Samuel" Reddy!! Then the "CACAPHONY" will become a 'torrent'.Then will follow the 'usual FLYING visits' of these 'netas' to get phot-ops by being at the bedside of the wounded,in hospitals.Inconvenience to all concerned is a minor matter!!
Not to be left behind,the 'secular' English media will burst forth into a flood of Articles highlighting the "SPIRIT OF HYDERABAD".Some will then,in rare 'investigative brilliance ' point the needle of suspicion ' at some 'phantom unbearded denizens' behind the blasts!! The T.V. Channels will go beserk,each trying to outdo the other in 'fabricating headlines' and 'stories'!! How 'sources' say it was RDX. And then there will be a contradiction in another channel about how it was a 'mixture of 'RDX+something'. Not to be outdone,a third will scream how 'the pressure cooker came to boil'!! And then will follow a 'JUGALBANDHI SESSION ' against the backdrop of the 'CHARMINAR'. A must for this show is for the prima donnas to prominently display the 'GREEN' and 'SAFFRON' JERSEYS!! WE LIVE IN THE MAUDLIN SEASON!!
Of course,'SLEEPLESS' Race Course Road will say how these despicable blasts will have no effect on the 'PEACE PROCESS'.After all,there is the 'HAVANA DECLARATION'!!And the NATIONAL (IN)SECURITY ADVISOR will return to the familiar 'I TOLD YOU' homily!!
And,after about ten days of this burlusque, Hyderabad will be off the radar of all concerned. It will be '1-2-3-' as usual!! No one will be apprehended. Isn't that how the script played out after Delhi, Varanasi,Malegaon,Mumbai etc etc?
And, we lived happily thereafter,until the 'NEXT BLAST'when the same script will be repeated once again!!
WARM REGARDS
H.Balakrishnan'ATHREYA'A1/8-FLAT-522nd CROSS STREETBESANTNAGARCHENNAI-600 090
"Casteism"- An open letter to Indian Express
8/28/2007 12:09:46 PM H.Balakrishnan
Dear Sir,
Reading "Casteism in new form" (TNIE-27 AUG), I was reminded of the world famous and well known 'Kelvin Dictum', named after the famous British scientist Lord Kelvin: "- - when you can measure what you are speaking about,and express it in numbers,you know something about it; when you cannot express it in numbers,YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS OF MEAGRE AND UNSATISFACTORY KIND".
It is now well known that 'caste' as opposed to the vedic 'Varna Ashram' was a colonial construct,especially by the missionaries to divide Hindu society and denigrate Sanatana Dharma, for the purpose of conversions. The British daily 'Guardian',published an Article by the historian William Dalrymple, about an exhibition of Indian paintings at the British Museum, commemorating India's 60 years of Independence. In that insightful Article, the writer gives examples of how Christian missionaries during the Rajwere actively denigarting Sanatana Dharma. He wrote: " By 1813, a change in the charter of the East India Company let loose a wave of evangelical missionaries on India. The act was pushed through parliament by William Wilberforce, who told MPs that "the natives of India, and more particularly the Brahmins, were sunk into the most abject ignorance and vice". The Rev R Ainslie was typical of the new breed of missionaries filling the cantonments, or military stations, of India during the 1830s. Ainslie wrote of his visit to Orissa: " I have visited the Valley of Death! I have seen the Den of Darkness!" According to another outspoken evangelical, the Rev Alexander Thompson: " Those who between 1790 and 1820 held the highest offices in India, were on the whole an irreligious body of men who approved of Hinduism much more than Christianity: some who hated Missions from their dread of sedition; others because their hearts 'seduced by fair idolatresses, had fallen to idols foul'."(http://books.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,330627884-110738,00.html)
Dr.N.S.Rajaram,sums up the anti-Brahmin campaign of the British missionaries succinctly in his "Sarasvati River and Vedic Civilization" as follows: " Christian propagandists like Bishop Caldwell were unhappy that they could get converts only from the lower strata of Hindu society.Regardless of internal divisions,all segments of Hindu society-and many Muslims as well - looked to the Brahmins for moral and intellectual guidance.Caldwell and his fellow missionaries saw Brahmins as the greatest obstacle to their program.So they attacked the Brahmins in the most venemous language as oppressors of society.This is still the case.The idea was to turn people against those who were seen as the preservers and perpetuators of Hindu culture and tradition". Ruth Manorama,Kancha Illiah and ilk follow in the footsteps of the Caldwells,Ainslies,Thompsons et al!!They are 'wined and dined' on the steps of 'CAPITOL HILL',for very obvious reasons.
Swami Vivekananda said: "Caste is a plan we want to follow- - .There is no country in the world without caste.The plan in India is to make everybody a Brahmin, the Brahmin being the ideal of humanity.Indian caste is better than the caste that prevails which prevails in Europe or America" (REF: "The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Kolkata,1985, Vol V, pp 215)
Lastly, I have a poser to Shri B.Arvind Kumar. Restaurants display 'Rights of Admission Reserved'.That in a public place meant for the public. In such a scenarion,whats the big deal in a private house owner being choosy about his/her tenant? How infantile can we get?As regards 'matrimonail ads', I have a fairly 'good collection' of such ads by 'Christian Castes' (I thought Christianity was 'casteless'!!) and will be only too happy to share it with the writer if he so desires!
VANDE MATARAM
WARM REGARDS
H.Balakrishnan'ATHREYA'A1/8-FLAT-522nd CROSS STREETBESANTNAGARCHENNAI-600 090
TEL: 24910140
Dear Sir,
Reading "Casteism in new form" (TNIE-27 AUG), I was reminded of the world famous and well known 'Kelvin Dictum', named after the famous British scientist Lord Kelvin: "- - when you can measure what you are speaking about,and express it in numbers,you know something about it; when you cannot express it in numbers,YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS OF MEAGRE AND UNSATISFACTORY KIND".
It is now well known that 'caste' as opposed to the vedic 'Varna Ashram' was a colonial construct,especially by the missionaries to divide Hindu society and denigrate Sanatana Dharma, for the purpose of conversions. The British daily 'Guardian',published an Article by the historian William Dalrymple, about an exhibition of Indian paintings at the British Museum, commemorating India's 60 years of Independence. In that insightful Article, the writer gives examples of how Christian missionaries during the Rajwere actively denigarting Sanatana Dharma. He wrote: " By 1813, a change in the charter of the East India Company let loose a wave of evangelical missionaries on India. The act was pushed through parliament by William Wilberforce, who told MPs that "the natives of India, and more particularly the Brahmins, were sunk into the most abject ignorance and vice". The Rev R Ainslie was typical of the new breed of missionaries filling the cantonments, or military stations, of India during the 1830s. Ainslie wrote of his visit to Orissa: " I have visited the Valley of Death! I have seen the Den of Darkness!" According to another outspoken evangelical, the Rev Alexander Thompson: " Those who between 1790 and 1820 held the highest offices in India, were on the whole an irreligious body of men who approved of Hinduism much more than Christianity: some who hated Missions from their dread of sedition; others because their hearts 'seduced by fair idolatresses, had fallen to idols foul'."(http://books.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,330627884-110738,00.html)
Dr.N.S.Rajaram,sums up the anti-Brahmin campaign of the British missionaries succinctly in his "Sarasvati River and Vedic Civilization" as follows: " Christian propagandists like Bishop Caldwell were unhappy that they could get converts only from the lower strata of Hindu society.Regardless of internal divisions,all segments of Hindu society-and many Muslims as well - looked to the Brahmins for moral and intellectual guidance.Caldwell and his fellow missionaries saw Brahmins as the greatest obstacle to their program.So they attacked the Brahmins in the most venemous language as oppressors of society.This is still the case.The idea was to turn people against those who were seen as the preservers and perpetuators of Hindu culture and tradition". Ruth Manorama,Kancha Illiah and ilk follow in the footsteps of the Caldwells,Ainslies,Thompsons et al!!They are 'wined and dined' on the steps of 'CAPITOL HILL',for very obvious reasons.
Swami Vivekananda said: "Caste is a plan we want to follow- - .There is no country in the world without caste.The plan in India is to make everybody a Brahmin, the Brahmin being the ideal of humanity.Indian caste is better than the caste that prevails which prevails in Europe or America" (REF: "The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Kolkata,1985, Vol V, pp 215)
Lastly, I have a poser to Shri B.Arvind Kumar. Restaurants display 'Rights of Admission Reserved'.That in a public place meant for the public. In such a scenarion,whats the big deal in a private house owner being choosy about his/her tenant? How infantile can we get?As regards 'matrimonail ads', I have a fairly 'good collection' of such ads by 'Christian Castes' (I thought Christianity was 'casteless'!!) and will be only too happy to share it with the writer if he so desires!
VANDE MATARAM
WARM REGARDS
H.Balakrishnan'ATHREYA'A1/8-FLAT-522nd CROSS STREETBESANTNAGARCHENNAI-600 090
TEL: 24910140
Saturday, August 18, 2007
Slim overtakes Bill Gates: Racial Caste-ism in Mexico
Tuesday, August 14, 2007
Smoker Sanjay Dutt finds world’s cigar puffing Richest Carlos Slim. In Mexico, white conquistadors interbred with Amerindian women to produce mestizos. At present such mestizos 77%, White 10%, Indigenous Amerindians 1% and others are 12% in Mexico. They conquered indigenous Amerindians of Mexico by Jared Diamond (Guns, Germs & Steel: The Fates of Human Societies) through divide and rule policy. What is going on in India?
First conqueror of Latin America was Spain. This should not be the guideline to marry with Spanish origin girl. Catholicism came from Italy in the Latin America and other European countries. This should not mean our groom should be from Italy or should be Christian. There should be a break on this tendency.
America and European countries are importing our brains. We are leading world in IT field. Are Sunita Williams, Kalpana Chawla, Aishwarya and others not blonde? What should be called blind to the followers of Nehru Gandhi dynasty?
So why do brides or grooms follow Gandhis?
http://newsanalysisindia.com/121122006.htm
As per BBC survey UK’s Indians want to marry with Indians. We should judge the behavior of Hindus who marriage with Non-Hindus or Non-Indians. Heirs of the converted Hindus are more aggressive against Hindus than others. Inter caste marriages are essential to discourage inter religion or inter racial marriages for the sake of Indian culture and unity of India.
Inter caste marriages should be encourages to boycott marriages among religions and races.
http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/106082007.htm
Who is untouchable caste? Is minority-ism not oxygen for the minority government? Is ‘secular and non-secular’ equal to European racism of white and black skin?
Has political class not become the untouchable caste instead of SC/ST?
http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/104082007.htm
Smoker Sanjay finds Cigar puffing Carlos Slim
Bollywood Super Star Sanjay Dutt can now smoke cigarette in the prison. He luckily finds Slim. The cigar-puffing Mr Slim of Mexico, 67, is worth US $59 billion against the Gates’s worth $58, according to Fortune magazine, Passes Bill Gates to Be World's Richest.
I don't care if I'm richest in world: Mexico's Slim
"I don't know if I'm No 1, No 20, or No 2000. It doesn't matter," said the cigar-smoking Slim.
The son of Christian immigrants from Lebanon, Slim learned financial acumen from his father, Julian Slim Haddad, who ran a store in the heart of Mexico City.
Many Mexicans hoped privatization, which began in the early 1990s, would create competition and drive prices down drastically. That hasn't happened. The 67-year-old Slim is one of a dozen fat cats in Mexico who impede that country's growth because they run monopolies or oligopolies," George Grayson, professor of government at the College of William & Mary, told Fortune. "The Mexican economy is highly inefficient, and it is losing its competitive standing vis-à-vis other countries because of people like Slim."
"He made his billions because of an extremely close and advantageous relationship with the Salinas government," says professor Grayson of William & Mary. More recently Slim has been pragmatically investing in multiple parties, a common practice among Mexico's oligarchs.
Slim instructed to the executives of his companies "Maintain austerity in prosperous times (in times when the cow is fat with milk); it accelerates corporate development and avoids the need for drastic change in times of crisis."
Slim explained his life's work: "Many people want to leave a better world for their children," he told the crowd. "I'm trying to leave better children for my world."
Slim, 67, told foreign journalists at a luncheon on recently that making sure his job was compatible with his family or personal life was more important than his wealth.
Perhaps taking a page out of the Gates playbook, Slim has been working to improve his public image lately.
Mestizo
Imagine a conquistador (Conqueror) and his Amerindian woman have two sons in the 1520s. Amerindians are often referred to as Native Americans, First Nations, Amerindians, or (ambiguously) Indians (Not of India).
These two mestizo brothers grow up and go out in the world to seek their fortunes.
One is smarter, and he strikes it rich: The rich son has a wide variety of potential wives to choose from. Like most men, and like almost all Mexican men, he is more attracted to blonde women (very fair complexion, with light hair and light blue eyes), and thus marries one.
The other wasn't so lucky in the genetic lottery, and he becomes poor: Impoverished brother, in contrast, cannot attract a blonde wife. So he marries an Amerindian girl.
Then, the brothers have children: On average, the smarter, richer brother's kids, who are 3/4 white, are smarter than their underprivileged 1/4 white cousins. They're smarter not because they are whiter, but because their father had more smartness genes than their uncle.
This trend continues: in both families, the smartest, most energetic, and most ruthless sons marry the blondest wives, while the blondest daughters marry the husbands with the most Right Stuff. Repeat for another dozen and a half generations. By 2000, this pattern could lead to the most European-looking people being the most naturally formidable, even if they weren't when they arrived in 1519.
Continuous Massive turmoil in Mexico
Now, in Mexico every century or so, there is a massive upheaval like the Revolution of 1910. The white monopoly is fractured. Up through the cracks come the most talented mestizos and Amerindians. They start dynasties that persist to this day … but their grandsons and great-grandsons are notably whiter than they were, since the men of the family have been exploiting their social ascendancy to marry white women.
The ruling class today is not restricted solely to the legitimate heirs of the current magnate Tycoon, Mogul, business or industrial person, however.
Mexico's "technocrat" trend
It continues to recruit smart young men from the lower orders. For example, President Ernesto Zedillo, who has a doctorate from Yale in economics, is from a quite poor background. Yet, he looks pure white.
His mother was a medical student who dropped out for obscure reasons. President Zedillo is the classic manifestation of Mexico's "technocrat" trend.
Whites have also dominated even Leftist guerilla movements, such as the example of Subcommandante Marcos.
Racial Classifications in Latin America
In the history of Latin America over the last 500 years or so, the relationships among three races have been a key factor. In the beginning, there were the various indigenous groups. Then came the European colonizers, who later brought black slaves from Africa. The relationships among these racial groups have at times been tumultuous --- war, slaughter, subjugation, slavery, exploitation, miscegenation, ...
The administration of the vast colonies was placed in the hands of nationals of the European empires. These administrators were rewarded estates for their efforts, and naturally inheritance rights became a significant issue. As a male may have multiple children with multiple women, the rights of these apparent heirs have to be defined, particularly when some of the mothers were not pure Europeans. Under Spanish rule, the following detailed caste system was instituted in Mexico at one time.
Mestizo: Spanish father and Amerindian mother
Castizo: Spanish father and Mestizo mother
Espomolo: Spanish mother and Castizo father
Mulatto: Spanish and black African
Moor: Spanish and Mulatto
Albino: Spanish father and Moor mother
Throwback: Spanish father and Albino mother
Wolf: Throwback father and Indian mother
Zambiago: Wolf father and Amerindian mother
Cambujo: Zambiago father and Amerindian mother
Alvarazado: Cambujo father and Mulatto mother
Borquino: Alvarazado father and Mulatto mother
Coyote: Borquino father and Mulatto mother
Chamizo: Coyote father and Mulatto mother
Coyote-Mestizo: Cahmizo father and Mestizo mother
Ahi Tan Estas: Coyote-Mestizo father and Mulatto mother
Today, the overt caste systems have been overturned by legislation, but that does not mean that social prejudices and economic exploitation are not present. Even though overt racial oppression is no longer permissible by law, people may still hold personal opinions about members of other races based upon preconceived notions.
By Premendra Agrawal
Please sign on the petition to save Ram Sethuby visiting at:
http://newsanalysisindia.com/ramsethu.htm
Few comments among many on Inter caste marriages vs. inter religion or racial marriages: http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/106082007.htm
(1) My name is Sumant
and I am male/23. I got to read the following article from you about
inter-cast marriages. I want to thank you for throwing some light on
this important social topic.I strongly support your views that we should
encourage inter-cast marriages amongst Hindus. Also, you are very right
about the marriages between Muslims and non-muslims. It is always a
problem for the non-muslim person. I have heard there is some muslim
organization in U.P. which gives a prize money of Rs.100000/-, to the
muslim boys, if they marry a hindu girl. It is their way to end the
hindus in one way. Is this right?? I thank you again and
wish to have such articles from you in future as well.
Namaskar!!
-Sumant.
(2)
My dear Premendra ji,
You have taken up this crusade and you are definitely doing a good service by providing information. AS regards the ICM, you are right about JInnah, Iqbal and others. I may correct you about Bhutto that ZA bhutto was the son of Nawab of Junagarh by a Hindu concubine. The lady later on settled in Pune and lived there till death. The nawab had so many ladies in his harem and ZA was borne to one of them. Such children were given the fatherhood of some one who used to serve the nawabs and kings.
It is well known fact that he had inherited some property in Mumbai which came into the control of custodian. He was fighting to get back and trying to become Indian citizen also till 1956. In 1956 all of a sudden he was given the option of becoming Minister of Commerce in Pakistan Govt if he choses to give Indian citizenship and adopt Pakistani citizenship. He foresaw the future Prime Ministership for himself in that offer and accepted it.Bitten by that bug, he even abused his own forefathers in UNO assembly by calling them Indian dogs.
Secondly regarding the conversion, it is imperative in Islam that if a non muslim marries with a muslim boy or girl, he/she has to convert into Islam. Otherwise the marriage would be illegal.
It is also a fact that when Nadir Shah invaded India, he brought a small number of people and later it was due to conversion only that Muslim population increased like any thing. Then there was least attempt form the side of native Hindus to resist the Islamic rule during Mughal period. If it was Rana Pratap and persons like him, they fought and resisted for their own kingdom -Mewar etc. Nobody fought for the unity of the country. We Hindus take pride in our pre-historic culture or philosophy but hardly show any sign of unity and fighting togather.
Today also we are fighting among ourselves in the garb of different political parties. Nobody thinks in the larger interests of the country....whether it is BJP, Congress or leftist. Future seems bleak.We can only pray God save the country.....BNG
B N Goyal
(3)
Regards and thanks
Your observation holds good.............
Shailesh Kumar Shukla
(4)
You have an excellent collection of data and quotations on the subject. Yes, I agree very much with you that intercast marriages must be encouraged. I would like to put it in a little different manner. HINDU MUST MARRY HINDU. HINDU MUST MAKE HIS COUNTERPART AFTER MARRIAGE. We need not even mention the word CAST OR INTERCAST.
Mukund Hambarde
7:01:09 PM
Posted By premendra agrawal Comments (0) News
Smoker Sanjay Dutt finds world’s cigar puffing Richest Carlos Slim. In Mexico, white conquistadors interbred with Amerindian women to produce mestizos. At present such mestizos 77%, White 10%, Indigenous Amerindians 1% and others are 12% in Mexico. They conquered indigenous Amerindians of Mexico by Jared Diamond (Guns, Germs & Steel: The Fates of Human Societies) through divide and rule policy. What is going on in India?
First conqueror of Latin America was Spain. This should not be the guideline to marry with Spanish origin girl. Catholicism came from Italy in the Latin America and other European countries. This should not mean our groom should be from Italy or should be Christian. There should be a break on this tendency.
America and European countries are importing our brains. We are leading world in IT field. Are Sunita Williams, Kalpana Chawla, Aishwarya and others not blonde? What should be called blind to the followers of Nehru Gandhi dynasty?
So why do brides or grooms follow Gandhis?
http://newsanalysisindia.com/121122006.htm
As per BBC survey UK’s Indians want to marry with Indians. We should judge the behavior of Hindus who marriage with Non-Hindus or Non-Indians. Heirs of the converted Hindus are more aggressive against Hindus than others. Inter caste marriages are essential to discourage inter religion or inter racial marriages for the sake of Indian culture and unity of India.
Inter caste marriages should be encourages to boycott marriages among religions and races.
http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/106082007.htm
Who is untouchable caste? Is minority-ism not oxygen for the minority government? Is ‘secular and non-secular’ equal to European racism of white and black skin?
Has political class not become the untouchable caste instead of SC/ST?
http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/104082007.htm
Smoker Sanjay finds Cigar puffing Carlos Slim
Bollywood Super Star Sanjay Dutt can now smoke cigarette in the prison. He luckily finds Slim. The cigar-puffing Mr Slim of Mexico, 67, is worth US $59 billion against the Gates’s worth $58, according to Fortune magazine, Passes Bill Gates to Be World's Richest.
I don't care if I'm richest in world: Mexico's Slim
"I don't know if I'm No 1, No 20, or No 2000. It doesn't matter," said the cigar-smoking Slim.
The son of Christian immigrants from Lebanon, Slim learned financial acumen from his father, Julian Slim Haddad, who ran a store in the heart of Mexico City.
Many Mexicans hoped privatization, which began in the early 1990s, would create competition and drive prices down drastically. That hasn't happened. The 67-year-old Slim is one of a dozen fat cats in Mexico who impede that country's growth because they run monopolies or oligopolies," George Grayson, professor of government at the College of William & Mary, told Fortune. "The Mexican economy is highly inefficient, and it is losing its competitive standing vis-à-vis other countries because of people like Slim."
"He made his billions because of an extremely close and advantageous relationship with the Salinas government," says professor Grayson of William & Mary. More recently Slim has been pragmatically investing in multiple parties, a common practice among Mexico's oligarchs.
Slim instructed to the executives of his companies "Maintain austerity in prosperous times (in times when the cow is fat with milk); it accelerates corporate development and avoids the need for drastic change in times of crisis."
Slim explained his life's work: "Many people want to leave a better world for their children," he told the crowd. "I'm trying to leave better children for my world."
Slim, 67, told foreign journalists at a luncheon on recently that making sure his job was compatible with his family or personal life was more important than his wealth.
Perhaps taking a page out of the Gates playbook, Slim has been working to improve his public image lately.
Mestizo
Imagine a conquistador (Conqueror) and his Amerindian woman have two sons in the 1520s. Amerindians are often referred to as Native Americans, First Nations, Amerindians, or (ambiguously) Indians (Not of India).
These two mestizo brothers grow up and go out in the world to seek their fortunes.
One is smarter, and he strikes it rich: The rich son has a wide variety of potential wives to choose from. Like most men, and like almost all Mexican men, he is more attracted to blonde women (very fair complexion, with light hair and light blue eyes), and thus marries one.
The other wasn't so lucky in the genetic lottery, and he becomes poor: Impoverished brother, in contrast, cannot attract a blonde wife. So he marries an Amerindian girl.
Then, the brothers have children: On average, the smarter, richer brother's kids, who are 3/4 white, are smarter than their underprivileged 1/4 white cousins. They're smarter not because they are whiter, but because their father had more smartness genes than their uncle.
This trend continues: in both families, the smartest, most energetic, and most ruthless sons marry the blondest wives, while the blondest daughters marry the husbands with the most Right Stuff. Repeat for another dozen and a half generations. By 2000, this pattern could lead to the most European-looking people being the most naturally formidable, even if they weren't when they arrived in 1519.
Continuous Massive turmoil in Mexico
Now, in Mexico every century or so, there is a massive upheaval like the Revolution of 1910. The white monopoly is fractured. Up through the cracks come the most talented mestizos and Amerindians. They start dynasties that persist to this day … but their grandsons and great-grandsons are notably whiter than they were, since the men of the family have been exploiting their social ascendancy to marry white women.
The ruling class today is not restricted solely to the legitimate heirs of the current magnate Tycoon, Mogul, business or industrial person, however.
Mexico's "technocrat" trend
It continues to recruit smart young men from the lower orders. For example, President Ernesto Zedillo, who has a doctorate from Yale in economics, is from a quite poor background. Yet, he looks pure white.
His mother was a medical student who dropped out for obscure reasons. President Zedillo is the classic manifestation of Mexico's "technocrat" trend.
Whites have also dominated even Leftist guerilla movements, such as the example of Subcommandante Marcos.
Racial Classifications in Latin America
In the history of Latin America over the last 500 years or so, the relationships among three races have been a key factor. In the beginning, there were the various indigenous groups. Then came the European colonizers, who later brought black slaves from Africa. The relationships among these racial groups have at times been tumultuous --- war, slaughter, subjugation, slavery, exploitation, miscegenation, ...
The administration of the vast colonies was placed in the hands of nationals of the European empires. These administrators were rewarded estates for their efforts, and naturally inheritance rights became a significant issue. As a male may have multiple children with multiple women, the rights of these apparent heirs have to be defined, particularly when some of the mothers were not pure Europeans. Under Spanish rule, the following detailed caste system was instituted in Mexico at one time.
Mestizo: Spanish father and Amerindian mother
Castizo: Spanish father and Mestizo mother
Espomolo: Spanish mother and Castizo father
Mulatto: Spanish and black African
Moor: Spanish and Mulatto
Albino: Spanish father and Moor mother
Throwback: Spanish father and Albino mother
Wolf: Throwback father and Indian mother
Zambiago: Wolf father and Amerindian mother
Cambujo: Zambiago father and Amerindian mother
Alvarazado: Cambujo father and Mulatto mother
Borquino: Alvarazado father and Mulatto mother
Coyote: Borquino father and Mulatto mother
Chamizo: Coyote father and Mulatto mother
Coyote-Mestizo: Cahmizo father and Mestizo mother
Ahi Tan Estas: Coyote-Mestizo father and Mulatto mother
Today, the overt caste systems have been overturned by legislation, but that does not mean that social prejudices and economic exploitation are not present. Even though overt racial oppression is no longer permissible by law, people may still hold personal opinions about members of other races based upon preconceived notions.
By Premendra Agrawal
Please sign on the petition to save Ram Sethuby visiting at:
http://newsanalysisindia.com/ramsethu.htm
Few comments among many on Inter caste marriages vs. inter religion or racial marriages: http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/106082007.htm
(1) My name is Sumant
and I am male/23. I got to read the following article from you about
inter-cast marriages. I want to thank you for throwing some light on
this important social topic.I strongly support your views that we should
encourage inter-cast marriages amongst Hindus. Also, you are very right
about the marriages between Muslims and non-muslims. It is always a
problem for the non-muslim person. I have heard there is some muslim
organization in U.P. which gives a prize money of Rs.100000/-, to the
muslim boys, if they marry a hindu girl. It is their way to end the
hindus in one way. Is this right?? I thank you again and
wish to have such articles from you in future as well.
Namaskar!!
-Sumant.
(2)
My dear Premendra ji,
You have taken up this crusade and you are definitely doing a good service by providing information. AS regards the ICM, you are right about JInnah, Iqbal and others. I may correct you about Bhutto that ZA bhutto was the son of Nawab of Junagarh by a Hindu concubine. The lady later on settled in Pune and lived there till death. The nawab had so many ladies in his harem and ZA was borne to one of them. Such children were given the fatherhood of some one who used to serve the nawabs and kings.
It is well known fact that he had inherited some property in Mumbai which came into the control of custodian. He was fighting to get back and trying to become Indian citizen also till 1956. In 1956 all of a sudden he was given the option of becoming Minister of Commerce in Pakistan Govt if he choses to give Indian citizenship and adopt Pakistani citizenship. He foresaw the future Prime Ministership for himself in that offer and accepted it.Bitten by that bug, he even abused his own forefathers in UNO assembly by calling them Indian dogs.
Secondly regarding the conversion, it is imperative in Islam that if a non muslim marries with a muslim boy or girl, he/she has to convert into Islam. Otherwise the marriage would be illegal.
It is also a fact that when Nadir Shah invaded India, he brought a small number of people and later it was due to conversion only that Muslim population increased like any thing. Then there was least attempt form the side of native Hindus to resist the Islamic rule during Mughal period. If it was Rana Pratap and persons like him, they fought and resisted for their own kingdom -Mewar etc. Nobody fought for the unity of the country. We Hindus take pride in our pre-historic culture or philosophy but hardly show any sign of unity and fighting togather.
Today also we are fighting among ourselves in the garb of different political parties. Nobody thinks in the larger interests of the country....whether it is BJP, Congress or leftist. Future seems bleak.We can only pray God save the country.....BNG
B N Goyal
(3)
Regards and thanks
Your observation holds good.............
Shailesh Kumar Shukla
(4)
You have an excellent collection of data and quotations on the subject. Yes, I agree very much with you that intercast marriages must be encouraged. I would like to put it in a little different manner. HINDU MUST MARRY HINDU. HINDU MUST MAKE HIS COUNTERPART AFTER MARRIAGE. We need not even mention the word CAST OR INTERCAST.
Mukund Hambarde
7:01:09 PM
Posted By premendra agrawal Comments (0) News
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