Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) - Part 2 contd

Tuesday, February 20, 2007
Re: Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) - Part 2 Contd.
In continuation of part 2:
8- Was Muhammad a pedophile?
The following is an email sent to me by brother Amir Abdul Rahim; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
From: [ref]
To: [ref]Subject: Was Muhammad a child molester? Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:37:17 +0000 (GMT)
Assalamu Alaikum Wr Wb
The discussion of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha has recently come up on a muslim message board, with the usual cries of 'Muhammad was a pedophile' coming from the usual anti-Islam lobby.
In order to answer this filthy slander, I went to a police website detailing the traits of a pedophile, and this is what I came up with. It seems that, even by today's standards, Muhammad could not be considered a pedophile.
Please feel free to use or edit this text in any way you like
Okay, lets have a look at the psyche of a typical pedophile, and see how much of it fits Muhammad shall we? Quoted text is taken from Understanding the Pedophile Psyche, courtesy of the Police Federation of England & Wales:
http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm
"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."
As well as being married to Aisha, he was also married to many other women during his life. He wasn't certainly suffering from low self-esteem. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."
As has been mentioned before, Muhammad waited for at least two years before consummating the marriage. Therefore, this point of 'lack of self control' does not apply to Muhammad. Also, fasting during Ramadan requires abstention from sexual relations. Why would Muhammad practise this if he had no self-control?
"Denial. Many pedophiles deny there is anything wrong with having sexual relations with children and many will in due course paradoxically deny having carried out such practices should they be confronted. It is vital to change the attitudes of such individuals much as in the lack of empathy with their victim."
Muhammad never once denied having sex with his wife. Also note the use of the term 'victim'. Aisha could not be described as a victim. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
"History of previous pedophile activity. Many pedophiles have carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children. It is vital here to promote alternative habits i.e. in attitudes and demeanor of sexual behaviour with adults."
Muhammad has no history of pedophile activity whatsoever. Also, as I pointed out, all of Muhammad's other wives were adult, and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children. Therefore, this doesn't apply to Muhammad.
"Poor family relationships - many pedophiles have come from families that are in chaos or are lacking in stability. This has led them to view sexual behaviour with children rather than adults as acceptable especially if this has been practised upon them by a member of the family in the past. Although it is difficult to reverse what has happened in the past through discussion or attitude changes it is vital that insight must be gained by the individual into how his/her pedophile activity originated and was developed through the family dynamics."
Although he was orphaned at a young age, Muhammad was always very close to all his family members, and advocated that whosoever cuts the bond of kith and kin, he/she would be denied paradise. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
"Low IQ - there are pedophiles who have low intelligence but by no means all are in this category. Where this is the case appropriate therapeutic efforts must be made to develop understanding of what they are doing wrong and what they must do to change."
Despite being illiterate, Muhammad had a reputation for being a very bright young boy, an excellent trader, and an extremely wise man. Therefore, this point does not apply to Muhammad.
"Loneliness, depression and relationship needs - this particular trait is associated with low self-esteem and lack of empathy with the victim. Many pedophiles are lonely individuals who live on their own and have found it difficult to establish relationships with adults, especially for sexual purposes. Some suffer from psychological problems and even psychotic illnesses. Here intensive treatment and monitoring is in order."
Muhammad wasn't suffering from depression when he married Aisha. Also, low self-esteem, loneliness, and difficulty to establish relations could not be attributed to Muhammad.
"Having been themselves sexually abused - many pedophiles have themselves been sexually abused in the past by adults. They merely imitate what they experienced and continue their activity considering it as appropriate since it was done to them."
This certainly isn't true.
I have demonstrated that, despite the fact Muhammad married a nine-year old girl, he could NOT be considered a pedophile.
My response:
Widely accepted definition of pedophile is as below.
Pedophile • pedo-sexuality is the condition of being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent children. The ICD-10 (F65.4) alternately defines it as "a sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of pre-pubertal or early pubertal age." Remember, Mo loved ayesha at 6 and bonked at 9 (she didn’t reach puberty then; even if she did, Mo bonked her just after that)
Now, coming back to you, Ajmal. Guess what, your link is dead. You got this from answering-christianity and never even read the article, did you? That's why you don't know the article doesn't even exist. How credible is that? No wonder, you people are brain-dead zombies and you copy-paste from AUTHENTIC ISLMIC SITES (read CRAP SITES). Where are you muneer? Your authentic sites are proven crap one more time. You brain washed mulsims never use your own brains and keep on repeating lies on you crap sites and copy-paste on other sites like this. Go, get some brain, you true muslims.Anyway, why don't you try the American Psychiatrist Association's definition of pedophilia? The APA is the WORLD AUTHORITY on the subject, not some police magazine article that doesn't exist (according to your dead link). Are the police experts on pedophilia? I don't think so. For that you really need a psychiatric expert and there is no better than the APA. It is neither Anti-islamic site nor Christian hate mongering site.Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia 1. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). 2. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty. 3. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A. Does Pedo MO meet all these criteria? 1. Yes - Muhammad had sexual relations with a pre-pubescent girl for a prolonged period. Also, don’t forget that pedo MO dreamed of ayesha when she was an infant. 2. Yes - Muhammad had acted on his sexual urges • as demonstrated by Tabari IX:131 and various Bukhari hadiths (stating consummation at age nine when it has been established that Aisha didn’t reach puberty). 3. Yes - Muhammad was 54 years old when Aisha was only 9 years old, which means he was 45 years older than ayesha, when he bonked her. Therefore, even according to the strict clinical definition of DSM-IV-TR it can be proven that MO was a pedophile. http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:Uk0UtOlo-3MJ:www.psych.org/news_room/press_releases/diagnosticcriteriapedophilia.pdf+apa+dsm-IV+pedophilia&hl=en Note how my link works - not your made-up non-existent link. Next time you present copy-paste evidence from a crap Islamic site, I suggest you to check if your 'so-called' evidence is real or not. Try googling that article you referred and you'll find it doesn't exist, it only exists in crap Islamist sites. Whom you muslims are lying to? It only suggests that you Muslims like to lie and delude yourselves. If you want to use a legal definition of pedophilia you could do worse than use this: www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/pedophile.html
This link says:
1)A pedophile may be a trustworthy and respectable adult in the community, who shows no outward signs of their condition to others.
2)There is no definitive profile of a pedophile, as individual characteristics can vary significantly.
3)A pedophile will typically not stop their behavior on their own, will not turn themselves in and will not take responsibility for or acknowledge their own wrongdoing
4)A pedophile may derive satisfaction from children in a number of ways: some stop at looking, others take pictures and watch children, and still others require more contact to satisfy their desires.
Do you need more proofs? It is crystal clear that HOLY MO was a pedophile and you muslims are blind followers of such a lecher MO.
Shame on you perverts.
9- The life span 1400 years ago was short:
The following is an email that was sent to me by sister Janet, who recently embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her.
From: JnMil3@aol.comTo: truthspeaks@answering-christianity.comSubject: Article on marriage of Aysha (saws) to prophet Muhammad (saws)Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:59:10 EST
Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,
Thank you for your informative article on the marriage of Aysha, peace be upon her, to prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. I don't think I'm yet finished with this article, as I clicked on a topic.
Did you also research the average life span 1400 years ago in the Middle East? The gypsy, or romany people, of Indian descent who now for the most part occupy eastern Europe, arrange their children in marriage. They arrange the children @ the age of 9 to be engaged for 3 or 4 years before they are married. The only ground for divorce in their culture is failure to conceive a child within a year of marriage (what an irony-- largely illiterate people recognize the American Medical Association's definition of infertility and divorce, while 'educated' people in the west pursue various infertility 'treatments' for years w/o end). Also, compared to Europeans, the average life span of the Romany is around 45, compared with those life spans in the 60's and 70's, so when their children are married, their lives are about 1/3 over.
Thanks again for this article, which I found looking up Aysha on a searchnet. I am a new Muslimah in the U.S., by the way.
Allah hafiz,Sister Janet
An addition by me, Osama Abdallah:
Life 1400 years ago was very rough in the too hot desert. From my personal knowledge, the average life span back then was 50 years. People used to die from all kinds of diseases. Both parents of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him for instance, died natural deaths before he even knew them. His father, Abdallah bin Hashem, died while Amina bint Wahb (Amy in English as Mary for Mariam), Muhammad's mother was still pregnant with Muhammad. After she gave birth, she died when he was 2 years old (I believe). Muhammad was the only child of his parents.
Muhammad was raised by his mother's female servant, Saadiyyah, and by his uncle (father's brother) Abu Talib, who later stood up for him and protected him when Muhammad declared to be Allah Almighty's Messenger at the age of 40.
My response:
What is the point here, I don’t understand? The life span may be short due to many factors like diseases, wars, natural calamities etc. What it has to do with a grandpa (51) marrying a child of 6 or bonking her at 9?
It was purely the lust of pedo MO for a virgin and ayesha was the one who got victimized of that.
Even if I go by your logic (??), there could have been early age marriages (both boy and girl are children or pre teens) but not an old man on death bed (using your analogy that average life span was 50 years) marrying a child of 6. Considering the average life span of 50, he was very near to the death and by this logic also, he ruined ayesha by marrying her. And don’t forget you have to search for age of Jober, whom ayesha was engaged earlier and MO jumped in between to fulfill his lust. It is only logical to get children marry in their early teens even if I have to consider your crap analogy.
As per your description that the average life span was 50 years, you yourself proving that Mo was in haste to satisfy his lust before he is dead. He couldn’t do anything till khadija was alive and soon she died, MO was free for his lecherous acts. He married at least 10 women in last 13 years of his life when khadija was dead. Don’t you see the true colours of sex pervert HOLY PEDO MO? He didn’t actually spare anyone whom he wanted to fukc including ayesha, zainab, saffiya etc.
10- What about Mary, Jesus' Mother peace be upon both of them? How old was she when she got pregnant?
Not only was it a custom in the Arab society to Engage/Marry a young girl it was also common in the Jewish society. The case of Mary the mother of Jesus comes to mind, in non biblical sources she was between 11-14 years old when she conceived Jesus. Mary had already been "BETROTHED" to Joseph before conceiving Jesus. Joseph was a much older man. therefore Mary was younger than 11-14 years of age when she was "BETHROED" to Joseph. We Muslims would never call Joseph a Child Molester, nor would we refer to the "Holy Ghost" of the Bible, that "Impregnated" Mary as a "Rapist" or "Adulterer".
This paragraph was sent to me by brother Mike, who embraced Islam recently; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: According to the Priest of Saint Mary's Catholic Church: "Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus. Joseph, Mary's Husband is believed to be around 36. Mary was only 13 when she married Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old."
According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.
So if I want to be as silly and ridiculous as many of the Christians, I would respond to them by saying that Mary was psychologically and emotionally devastated for getting pregnant at a very young age. And speaking of "child molesting", since most Christians believe that Jesus is the Creator of this universe, then why did GOD allow himself to enter life through a 12-year old young girl's vagina? Please note that we Muslims love and respect Allah Almighty, Mary, Jesus and Allah's Message to the People of the Book (The Jews and Christians). In other words, we Muslims would never make fun of Christianity through such childish topic like this one as many ridiculous Christians do make fun of Islam through our Prophet's (peace be upon him) marriage.
My response:
TU QUOQUE. Need not to answer.
11- What about the Bible's Prophets' marriages?
When we read the Bible, we learn about some Prophets marrying many wives, even hundreds of wives in some cases. Let us look at some of the verses from the Old Testament:
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
And knowing that the Bible's Old Testament allowed before for men to have sex with girls who were at the age of 3, then it wouldn't surprise me that those Prophets who had 700 wives for instance, had many very young "teenage" girls before as their wives.
It wouldn't surprise me if they too had wives that were younger than Mary when she got pregnant, and younger than Aisha when she got married.
Since there are so many wives that those Prophets married (hundreds of wives), then how would anyone know that they didn't marry young women as our beloved Prophet peace be upon him did with his marriage to Aisha peace be upon her?
My response:
TU QUOQUE. Need not to answer.
12- What about the X-Rated Pornography in the Bible?
When we read the Bible, we learn about some weird pornographic teachings that are certainly not appropriate for anyone with morals to read. Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible to see the many pornographic verses in the Bible. You will read for instance, about Solomon's wife's vagina tastes like wine for him!
You will also see examples of Prophets sleeping with their neighbor's wives, such as the following:
David watches a women bathe, likes what he sees, and "goes in unto her." Let us look at 2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home." This Holy Figure in the Bible is a pervert!.
So what happened to "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)"????
How come Leviticus 20:10 was compromised in the Bible and was never applied to King David?! Didn't King David know about this law? Yet, the Jews use his star as their holy symbol; the David Star, and the Christians call Jesus his son; "Son of David".
It seems to me quite clearly that the Bible is nothing but a compromised corrupted Book as Jeremiah 8:8, 2 Samuel 11:2-4 and Leviticus 20:10 suggest.
If the strong eats the weak in the Bible, then what moral and wisdom are we to learn from this book?
My response:
TU QUOQUE. Need not to answer.
13- Jesus never got married before. Therefore, Muhammad is not truthful?
Well, anyone who studies Islam would realize that we Muslims respect Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, very dearly and we regard him as one of Allah Almighty's favorite Prophets. We are not the Jews who believe that he was a liar and his mother Mary was a "whore". Visit this link to see actual quotes from the Jewish Talmud. But Jesus, peace be upon him, is not the measuring stick! Meaning, that whether he married or not, this wouldn't make a person good or bad, truthful or untruthful. It is totally irrelevant to us Muslims that Jesus peace be upon him never got married before whether it was by his choice or not. Certainly, Christians can't even follow his foot steps in this issue, and for those who do, they end up committing adultery in their churches.
Important Note: Also when one studies about the type of circumcision that was practiced 2000 years ago (which caused to weaken the sexual ability of the male and female), and knows that Jesus too got circumcised when he was a child, then one would immediately realize that Jesus not getting married could be a result of the "sexual weakening" that was caused by his circumcision. So this should further proof that Jesus not getting married is completely irrelevant to any discussion.
Please visit Genital Mutilation for males and females in the Bible.
Please visit Answering Trinity to see full proofs from the Bible that Jesus peace be upon him was not the Creator of the Universe, and was only a Messenger of GOD Almighty to the People of Israel.
My response:
TU QUOQUE. Need not to answer.
14- Conclusion:
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was not a child molester as the haters of Islam claim. He was a Noble Messenger of God. Muhammad peace be upon him lived in a society and culture that existed 1400 years ago, and we must not judge what he or others did based on our standards today. It is wrong and foolish to do so.
My response:
This article is full of TU QUOQUE. Next time use your brain, ajmal and come up with some logical rebuttal, else you will make fool out of yourself as you just did here.
A man 54, bonking a child of 9 is in no way a noble man, leave alone being a prophet of true god. Several times I said that we can and we have to judge MO because it was his claim not ours that he is for all the times, for all places and for all people. It is absolutely wise and mandatory to criticize MO. Following him blindly without accepting the truth that he was a pedophile is foolishness. Once you muslims stop following him and we will not criticize him, so simple.
Ajmal, you didn’t answer my questions asked to you earlier.
Would you allow a grandpa of age 51 to marry your sister/daughter at age 6 and bonk her after 3 years at 9?
PS: Dear readers, I actually don’t want to waste our time by answering such brain-dead zombies, as we all know that all they can do is to copy-paste from their crap Islamic sites and claim that they are authentic. You can judge by yourself that how authentic these sites are?
But when such blind followers don’t see the truth shown to them in black & white and keep on posting such craps, I think it becomes my moral responsibility to expose their lies and taqiyya. Let us see this time these muslims come up with a logical answer or with another copy-paste crap or more likely abuses etc.
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Posted By Infidel M Comments (15) Musings
Comments
Ratan-Datta Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:46:34 AM
Keep it up Mr Infidel. You are doing a fine job in demolishing opposite arguments.
rahul Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:58:40 AM
keep it up infidel, and u asked correct question to ajmal abt marrying his own sister to 51 year old grandpa
Badmash Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:21:33 PM
GOOD ONE MAYN :)
Badmash Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:06:39 PM
Islam allow INCEST, somewhere i read Mohammad Poppet had gang bang with Aisha's daughter. yaar so much confusing.Mohamad 54 ka tha Aisha 9 year ki thi fir uski daughter kab hui ? and Judah (in bible) had sex with his own duaghter and mother. that all i found on some christians websites. 1400 years of INCEST in Islam.
useless people Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:40:18 AM
you all are useless religious bigot and society don't need you
sage Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:37:44 AM
useless people -do you belong to muslims useless people . you should be proud of pedophile as proved in many blogs.
perfektm Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:37:31 PM
Infidel..Check here..truth of samjautacultureforall.blogspot.com/2007/02/from-ashes-of-burned-train.html
clueless Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:46:54 PM
ndtv ursick. u dont change post of the days for years, stories and poems change once in 2months speakup has no connection/ u allow perverts to misuse this space/ you exercise no control over anything/ when somebody tries to contact you never reply/ is this extreme arrogance or indifferenc/
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:13:51 PM
YEs PM, we all know who is the culprit but our great politicians won't say anything but only rubbish. That's the fate of we people. This time our prime minister will even not take names of those involved cross boarder. What a sad part.
infidel Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:36:46 AM
Tum log sab m..adhor c..hod ho
Infidel Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:42:22 AM
Again showing your islamic wisdom here. Good comic show for we infidels, please carry on, we need clowns like you to laugh upon.
kam na kaj Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:22:36 PM
kam na kaj ke dushman anaj ke
WRONG Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:01:08 PM
KAM NA KAJ KE DUSHMAN SAMJ KE
Infidel Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:14:13 PM
Again showing your islamic wisdom here. Good comic show for we infidels, please carry on, we need clowns like you to laugh upon.
perfektm Friday, February 23, 2007 3:02:59 AM
Infi ..get on the board, show what real islam is....I just opened one more muslim hypocrasy... its herecultureforall.blogspot.com/2007/02/from-ashes-of-burned-train.htmlhave fun