Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) - Part 2

Tuesday, February 20, 2007
Re: Prophet of Islam (Muhammad) - Part 2
Dear readers,
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This is a reply to ajmal’s blog. Since Rumple’s blog is the same copy-paste from the crap Islamic site and contains only 9 points whereas ajmal’s copy-paste contains 14, I am taking later one for more clarification. My responses are in RED just to make it easy to read.
MISTER INFIDEL.DONT GET ANGRY BY THIS COPY AND PASTE BECAUSE WHAT U DID WAS ALSO A COPY AND PASTE AND IT WAS VISIBLE WHEN ANY OF THE BLUE COLORED LINK WAS CLICKED.
My response:
Dear Ajmal, you need to learn a lot. What you said blue links are called hyperlinks and are used in order to go directly to the reference. In my article, those “blue coloured links” are hyperlinks to your own AUTHENTIC ISLAMIC SITE --- http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.236
So first learn how to use computer and then accuse me. I took SAHIH hadiths of Bhukahri and Muslim from one of the most reputed site. I hope you know that these SAHIH hadiths are authentic and people like you cannot claim that I used a crap site.
U DO IT.I WILL ALSO DO IT.AND THE FALSEHOOD WILL BE PERISHED BECAUSE THE QURAAN SAYSIN CHAPTER 17 VERSE 81
SAY THE TRUTH HAS ARRIVED AND THE FALSEHOOD PERISHED BECAUSE THE FALSE HOOD BY ITS NATURE IS BOUND TO PERISH
My response:
I am glad that you are trying to follow me. Keep it up bro, you will see the truth very soon. LOL.
Since you admitted that this is a copy-paste stuff which implies that you didn’t use your brain (given by your allah), I will respect your emotions and will reply to the article by addressing you as the author.
Let me clear one thing, as per islam, all the previous prophets and scriptures were for a particular time period, place and certain tribes/communities.
Irshad had just confirmed in his copy-paste article today. It says:” All the prophets that came before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) were only sent for their own people and were to be followed only for a particular period of time.
Surah Ali Imran, chapter 3 verse 49
“And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, . . .” [Al-Qur’an 3:49]”
So by referring those examples actually, you are trying to prove allah and Mo wrong, so I won’t go there. I will try to concentrate on quran, hadiths, islam, MO, allah etc and not on previous corrupted scriptures and previous prophets (as per islam), as MO claimed that he is last prophet of allah and is for all man kind, all places and all times. Moreover, we are discussing MO here and not other prophets. Even if all other prophets and scriptures are wrong, it doesn’t prove that your holy prophet was not a pedophile.
Rumple, read your name where ever you find ajmal in my reply below.
Aisha in Islam:
Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet in Islam!
First of all, it is important to know:
Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was:
People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [ref 1-7] etc... People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [ref 1-7] etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples:[ ref 1-7 ] etc...
[Ref child bride]
The article specifically says they were common and not exceptions!
It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.
That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many third world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.
Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!
My response:
Ajmal, This is known as TU QUOQUE (logical fallacy). From Wikipedia,
Tu quoque (Latin for "You, too" or "You, also") is an argument that asserts or implies that a certain position is false and/or should be disregarded because its proponent fails to consistently act in accordance with that position; it attempts show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. It can be considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the opposite party itself, rather than its positions.
For instance, "Reverend Bob claims that theft is wrong, but how can theft be wrong if Bob himself admits he stole objects when he was a child?"

You-too version
This form of the argument is as follows:
A makes criticism P.
A is also guilty of P.
Therefore, P is dismissed.
This is an instance of the two wrong things make a right fallacy.
If Mr. X is a thief and Mr. Y is a thief. Are both of them wrong? Or by showing that My X is a thief, Mr. Y becomes a saint?
Whoever has sex with a child is a pedophile, be it Mo or anybody else.
So don’t engage yourself in logical fallacy. Accept that Mo was a pedophile and all others who do such a mean act are also pedophile.
You wrote: “Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!
Who made that legal, Mo himself? Like barbarism was common in 7th century and before that, is it 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and divine religions? Think before you copy-paste, ajmal.
A man, who claimed to be a seal of prophet s of god, marrying a child of 6 years age and bonking her at 9 when he was 54, is by any means neither legal nor acceptable except Islamic or similar crap laws.
So to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile for marrying a girl that was OFFERED TO HIM by her parents and was accepted by all of the people back then including the enemies of Islam, the pagans, is quite absurd.
The pedophilia in the bible was quite different, because [ girls….men]
My response:
Ajmal, I am sure, you neither read nor understand my article nor your copy-paste stuff. It was Muhammad who asked Ayesha from his father Abu-bakr . Abu bakr even objected but MO shut him up by giving absurd reason. The same reason he used in refusing his marriage with other girl in similar relation, can you explain me why?. So don’t spread lies like ayesha’s parents offered him to MO.
Also, in [exodus….] as further elaborated on below, girls were sold off as [ref]other men. So most certainly, no one is qualified to call the Prophet of Islam a pedophile! [3 ref]
Let's look at two main points in the Bible:
1- 3-year old slave girls were forced into sex under the Mosaic Law in the Bible.2- Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible.
1- 3-year old slave girls were forced into sex under the Mosaic Law in the Bible: Also today, the Jewish law for marriage sets the age of consent for females at 11. (Consent is only one way of marriage) I do not know if modern Jewish law still allows (in theory) betrothal by intercourse as it was practiced in ancient times. Thirty years ago, the renowned sexologist R.E.L. Masters and Allan Edwardes said in their study of Afro-Asian sexual expression (_The Cradle of Erotica_, Julian Press, New York:1962) said, "Today, in many parts of North Africa, Arabia, and India, girls are wedded and bedded between the ages of five and nine; and no self-respecting female remains unmarried beyond the age of puberty."
By the way, please visit: [ref} The Bible literally says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".
Also visit [Ref]
2- Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible:7. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.8. "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. 9. "If he designates her for his son [Note: "his son" means that the master is either her father's age or even much older!], he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10. "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. 11. "If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
First of all, did the daughter have any choice to be sold off by her father, married off by her master to either himself or his son? No!
Also, the fact that the master can either marry her or marry her off to his son, means that MOST LIKELY, SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER'S AGE and younger than his son!! So he's probably at least 30+ years older than her. Yet, he himself (her father's age or even MUCH older) can marry her.
[2 ref]
Also, the fact that there is no AGE LIMIT to how girls in the Bible were sold off and married off to other men, WITHOUT ANY CHOICE, who were much much older than them as also the case with the Biblical Prophets who married 100s of wives each clearly proves the hypocrisy of some Christians who attack Islam through Aisha's very young age, while they clearly ignore the same fact in their own Bible. Here is a sample of the 100s of wives of the Biblical Prophets:
[5 ref]
Even today, girls in many third-world countries are married off at the same or similar age. Also, it is believed by many Jews and Roman Catholics that Mary was 12 - 14 when she had Jesus. Also as I said, the Biblical Prophets who had 100s of wives each most probably married young girls as well.
Also, what about Aisha's PARENTS (MOM AND DAD)? Didn't they see it right and fit to marry their daughter at that age and at that time? Who are we to judge?
Who are we to judge?
[3 ref]Also as I said, didn't the Biblical Prophets marry 100s of wives each? Is it possible that some of those wives were little girls as well? It's both highly probable and possible!
Mr. Sam Shamoun of "Answering Islam" even admits that his grandmother was 12 when she got married:
Note: I won't go into the details of his cheap insults and trash words, because I am much higher and classier than him. He has proven himself several times to be a [ref]
Note: I won't go into the details of his cheap insults and trash words, because I am much higher and classier than him. He has proven himself several times to be a [ref]
QuranSearch Com: questionAnswering Islam: yes QuranSearch Com: how old was your grandma when she got married?Answering Islam: 12 perhaps
The fact that his own Biblical Prophets married 100s of wives each and fathers used to sell their daughters as slave girls to other men without any age limit makes it extremely possible and probable that several if not many of these wives were little girls between 9 to 13, while the Prophets were MUCH MUCH OLDER than them. If his own grandmother who exited THOUSANDS of years later still married at 12, then what makes it impossible for girls during Biblical times to have married way much older men than them when they were little ones?
Since there is no age limit for the girl to be sold by her own father as a slave girl to another man, WHO CAN HAVE SEX WITH HER, then I want to ask Mr. Sam Shamoun here:
Aren't you a total hypocrite for denying that little girls were sold off and married off during biblical times at very young age to much much older men (as I proved in Exodus 21:9 above), while making fierce charges against Islam on Aisha's age?
How do you respond to this?
My response:
Dear ajmal, this copy-paste is related to Mr. Sam Shamoun, hence not at all of my concern.
Moreover, you (rather the actual author) again used TU QUOQUE here which I have explained above.
Keep one thing in mind, I am not here to defend any religion but you are to defend your ISLAM. So what happened in Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism etc is not our topic of discussion and by showing their mistakes, you cannot prove that islam is divine and Mo is not pedophile. At the most it can prove that islam is as absurd as other religions are, if you can prove that. Ajmal, try to prove divinity of islam, instead of showing mistakes in other religions. Being a muslim, do you believe that other religions are also true (I don’t think so)? If yes, you are closer to the truth. If not, why are you quoting them in order to prove islam divine.
2- My response to the "Child Molester" lie against Prophet Muhammad:
Important Note: Please pay attention toward the end of this article to the Virgin Mary's (peace be upon her) age. According to Christian resources, Mary was 12-14 when she had Jesus. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past. You will also see a section on the Prophets of the Bible who married hundreds of wives and some had even slept with their neighbor's wives and some had exposed their wives in the most disgusting PORNOGRAPHIC way to the entire world in the Bible. You will also see my response to the missionaries' argument: "Jesus never got married, so therefore Muhammad is not truthful".
Every time the Muslims talk about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to the anti-Islamic, the anti-Islamic use Muhammad's marriage with a girl named Aisha as a point against Islam. They claim that since Muhammad was in his 50's and Aisha was only 9 years old, then its ok to call him a "Child Molester":
Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"
Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage. This is further elaborated on in the "The Middle Eastern and other Cultures" and "What about Aisha's parents (mon and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?" and "The life span 1400 years ago was very short" sections below in this article.
The "child molester" charge is a terrible unfair attack on Islam because it doesn't apply to our beloved prophet in anyway!
[3 ref]
The article specifically says they were common and not exceptions!
My response:
Ajmal, I don’t want to repeat myself again and again as the author of this article did.
NO TU QUOQUE PLEASE, PERIOD.
The hadith referred above is the same as I did. I am glad that you approved my source of reference as authentic. Thanks ajmal. LOL.
This hadith says that ayesha was 6 when MO (51) married her and was 9 when pedo MO (54) bonked her. This itself proves that MO was a pedophile, do you still need any more proof. Ajmal, a simple question for you. Was MO the prophet of god or ayesha’s parents or the other lady were prophets of god?
We are discussing pedo Mo here and not any XYZ. Who cares anybody else did it in that time but since MO who claimed to be a prophet for all times, all places and all people did this lecherous act which ruined childhood of hundreds of thousands of innocent children like ayesha since that time till today and days to come, is of our concern.
If MO was prophet of true god and allah is only true god, allah could have stopped MO to do such disgusting act, because allah is supposed to know that this will ruin lives of many innocents and blind followers will bonk even infants as there is not a lower age limit of sex in islam. Actually it was Mo who wrote quran in name of allah and revealed whatever he needed and whenever he needed in order to fulfill his dirty wishes.
3- Was Aisha engaged to someone else before she got engaged to Muhammad?
I was told that Aisha was already engaged to a non Muslim man named Jober Ibn Al-Moteam Ibn Oday. Back then, the people of Mecca did not object to Aisha's engagement to Jober because she was physically big enough and tall enough to be considered for marriage. Her parents saw that and they engaged her to Jober.
The only reason why Aisha's father, Abu Baker Al Siddeek, broke her engagement with Jober is because he was a non-Muslim. Later, a woman named Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested for Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to marry Aisha, because the Prophet and Abu Baker became best friends. Prophet Muhammad engaged Aisha for 2 years before he married her.
All Muslim scholars agree 100% that Prophet Muhammad and Aisha were engaged for 2 years before marriage. However, some say that she was 7 when she got engaged, and 9 when she got married. Others say that she was 9 when she got engaged and 11 when she got married.
I personally think that it makes more logical sense to say that she was 9 when she got engaged to Prophet Muhammad and 11 when she got married, because if she were 7 when she got engaged to the Prophet, then how old was she when she first got engaged to Jober? I don't think she was big enough and mature enough to get engaged with Jober before the age of 7. I don't think her parents would have allowed it.
My response:
Ajmal, since you have done hard work in copy-pasting this article, I would request you to do some simple work by yourself. Please let us all know the age of Jober Ibn Al-Moteam Ibn Oday. That will clarify our doubts. Please keep in mind that Jober was not a muslim leave alone being a prophet.
Now see how much confused and hypocrite is the author of the article. He referred SAHIH HADITH OF BUKHARI which clearly says that ayesha was 6 when married and was 9 when bonked by MO. Now where is the room for speculations? Who are those scholars who say different than SAHIH BHUKHARI and SAHIH MUSLIM? No reference given ey. Who is the author to put words in mouth of scholars of repute like bhukhari and Muslim. Think over it ajmal.
4- The Middle Eastern and other Cultures:
If you take the time to study a little bit about the history of the tribes in South America, Middle East, Africa, India and the far eastern Oriental countries 1400 years ago, you would find that many tribes even until today (as shown in the Thai girl's and the 12-year old Romanian girl links above) allow the marriage of females at a very young age.
Do you think it is fair for you to come today and attack our beloved Prophet and call him a child molester when nobody 1400 years ago from his tribe had objected to his marriage? Not even the Pagans of Mecca, nor the Jews and Christians of Medina ever objected to it or used it as a point against Islam as anti-Islamic do today. We all need to understand the culture that we are talking about. Life in the Middle East is a very simple one. It is a lot simpler than what our brain can imagine, because the simplest to us here in America may be a very difficult or complicated thing to them in the Middle East especially for those folks who live in tribes in the rural areas where they don't have TV, electricity, or any electrical equipment. They live on natural water and survive on what they have available from fruits, vegetables and animals as food.Parents look at the girl's physical appearance when they prepare her for marriage. They don't care about her age. She could be 9 or 13, it doesn't matter.
My response:
You wrote:” Do you think it is fair for you to come today and attack our beloved Prophet and call him a child molester when nobody 1400 years ago from his tribe had objected to his marriage?”
Why not ajmal? Are you following quran and sunnah today or not? Do you have faith in MO who lived in 7th century or not? Do you follow what he taught or not? Do you believe that he was a prophet of allah and most noble person walked on the face of the earth or not? Are you living in 21st century and following teaching of 7th century or not?
I am sure your answers will be “YES”, it doesn’t matter you write them here or not.
Whoever dared to speak against MO was silenced by his sword. So who would have objected his deeds? And don’t forget, he was having allah in his sleeve to come out with a verse suiting his desires every time he was in a problem like this or marriage with Zainab etc.
Everybody on this earth believed that earth is flat till recent times, does that makes it the truth? No, earth is not flat, whether bible says it or quran says it. Similarly, an old man in his fifties marrying a child of 6 and bonking her at 9 is totally wrong, whether Christianity says it or islam says it. Mo was not there to follow the bad things of that culture; he was there to stop these bad practices of that time and culture, if we consider him a prophet of true god. Also, allah was supposed to know that these are bad practices and should be abandoned then and there. Isn’t allah all knowing, then how he allowed MO to do such shameful act?
You said simplicity which is actually ignorance. In 7th century people did not know many things which we do today, but what happened to allah? Isn’t he omniscient? He should have known that ruining a child life is the worst sin and should have revealed a verse against such disgraceful act. NO ajmal, it was not the true god who revealed to pedo MO, either it was satan or it was MO himself who said lies in the name of allah.
You wrote: “They don't care about her age. She could be 9 or 13, it doesn't matter.” Surely they are not prophets and allah and MO should have cared.
5- What about Aisha's parents (mom and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?
Since Aisha's parents both approved of her engagement with Jober and later approved to her marriage to Muhammad, is it fair for anyone to call her mom and dad and former fiancée and whole tribe all child molesters? I think whoever does that would be out of his mind and needs to study a little history about the Middle East.
Let us look at the following narration:
Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"
Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage.
My response:
I already answered this. Tell me one thing, does getting MC at 9 makes a girl ready (both mentally and physically) for sex with a grandpa of 54 years age? Though, it is mentioned in hadiths that ayesha didn’t reach her puberty when bonked by pedo MO.
6- More on Aisha's Marriage and its acceptance by the Arab culture back then:
The following article was sent to me by brother Faris Osman Abdat; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
Asalamu Alaikum brother Osama
Below are the points that perhaps could be of some use in the defense of the marriage of Lady Aisha to our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him). You would know if they are good enough to be utilize, insyallah :
"Firstly - if indeed the marriage of Lady Aisha was something which was despicable even at that time and in that culture, this fact would never have been recorded for posterity and all efforts to conceal or cloud it would have been undertaken. But the fact that this hadith had reached us after it was recorded centuries ago and to all the Muslim generations in between proved that the marriage was culturally and morally acceptable and the fact is also that the Muslim community at that time remained unshakened in its faith in his Prophethood and the message which he had brought bear testimony to this assertion. Secondly - we have to look at the life of Lady Aisha afterwards. She was without doubt one of the foremost scholars of Islam. It is even said that she had attained in her lifetime the position of Mufti - someone capable of giving religious rulings - a position very few Muslims will ever occupy. She was seeked by many, both men and women, who hungered for knowledge and they came to her from all directions, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria. History does not know of any woman who was approached by so many for such a noble purpose. If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam. And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam. No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought."
My response:
Already answered. Do you think a child of 6 or 9 understand what sex is and what are its consequences? I don’t think so. Do you want to prove that since MO married ayesha so it was ok for him to bonk ayesha at 9? NO, Mo’s marriage with ayesha did not spare him to be a pedophile. What an Islamic solution, marry a child and fukc her at 9, and you are not pedophile! What a great remedy and defense for your pedo MO!!
I am not saying that MO forced ayesha to bed, he actually took her to bed. Ayesha didn’t know what is happening but Mo, being a prophet of god, must have known what he was doing; he was actually ruining ayesha’s childhood and her genitals. You wrote, she wasn’t damaged at all. Did she conceive ever? NO. That is one of the effects of bonking a child by an elder person like MO. Go to any site of your choice and find out what are the negative impact a child has, when fukced at an early age. Was ayesha in a position to say anything against MO? You must be kidding.
7- But still, she is considered a child in our standards today!
Well, a lot of the things we do today are not right in the eyes of many. Our "standards" today mean nothing to what took place 1400 years ago. Today, anyone under 18 years old is considered a "child", a baby still under his mommy's and daddy's care. Back then on the other hand, people who reached the age of 18 were considered wise and very mature.
Let me share this Islamic story with you:
There is a famous Islamic figure called "Osama bin Zayd (or Zaid)". I was told that this man was once a leader or one of the leaders of the Muslims who met the Roman Christians. He defeated them. He was only 16 to 18 years old.
So the point is, Aisha, peace be upon her, might look as child to you, but back then she certainly was considered as "woman" who was qualified for marriage.
The following articles contain more proofs:
From http://ismaili.net/histoire/history03/history333.html: (bold, color and underline emphasis below are mine)
Osama bin Zaid
At about the middle of the month of Safar, in the 11th A.H., on Monday, Muhammad ordered his followers to make speedy preparations for an expedition against the people of Mauta in the Byzantine territory, and the sources go to say, to avenge the massacre of the soldiers, who had fallen in recent skirmishes. The next day, on Tuesday he appointed Osama to the command of the army. Osama was the son of Zaid bin Harith, who had been slain at Mauta, and was a youth of 17 or 18 years. On Wednesday, a violent inroad of headache and fever seized Muhammad, but the next morning of Thursday, he found himself sufficiently recovered to prepare a flag-staff, with his own hands, which he made over to Osama. The camp was then erected at Jorf, three miles from Medina on the route to Syria. He ordered all his followers at Medina to join it at once, not excepting even the renowned companions to join it at once. Only Ali, who was required to remain with him at Medina, was exempted. The malady, although gaining ground, did not confine Muhammad entirely to his house. He used to move into the mosque, through the door of his apartment, to lead the prayers. After about a week of his summoning the men to the Syrian expedition under Osama, he perceived that the progress to join the camp at Jorf was very slow and poor, therefore, he once again addressed the people to join the Syrian expedition. The sickness of Muhammad was increasing every day, and the Syrian expedition, weighed upon his mind, and continued saying to those around him, "Send off quickly the army of Osama." According to the Shiites, Muhammad was really reprimanding his companions for not joining the expeditionary force. Knowing that Muhammad's end was near, the companions were reluctant to leave Medina at such a critical time and fearful that, if they absented themselves, Ali might step uncontested. In sum, the army of Osama could not depart from Medina during the time of Muhammad.
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From www.dawn.com (bold, color and underline emphasis below are mine)
"...Assuming the responsibilities of the caliphate he was confronted with the problems that some of the tribes who had already embraced Islam broke off, many tribes declined to pay Zakat and false prophets emerged to take advantage of the situation. Hazrat Ayesha (RA) at this is reported to have uttered that the problems faced by my father if had befallen on Jibal-ur- Rasiat it would have shattered. However, credit goes to him who with courage and resolution overcame them.His first priority was to dispatch the expedition to Syria under the command of Osama bin Zaid originally ordered by the Holy Prophet but delayed due to his (SAW) death. It was a critical juncture for him. In the wake of alarming condition he was advised not to send, but he did not yield and without hesitation dispatched it in order to execute the wishes of the Holy Prophet. He was so much concerned that he himself came out of Madina to see the expedition off which soon returned graced by victory. It boosted the morale of the Muslims very much...."
My response:
Do you understand the difference between 9 and 18? First read, understand and then copy-paste.
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Infidel Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:43:20 AM
Again problem with server.I will try to incorporate here. If not, so please read next part.
Ratan-Datta Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:01:56 AM
InfidelA good rebuttal. The truth is there for all to see but they are blinded by 1400 yrs of indoctrination.