Sunday, July 15, 2007
An Indian muslim is born not into a family but into a religion. His parents are devout. They go to mosque regularly and are serious about their religion. There is no fun element. All serious business. It is almost claustrophobic to the outsiders. Most muslims keep their interaction with others to the minimum.Compare this with Hindus or Christians or even sikhs. Hindus take their religion less seriously. It makes them chuckle to visualise a Hanuman, a fully decked Krishna or the singing Naradmuni. Thus there is a lot of openness and a feeling that others also must take their religions less seriously to make more friendships and to create a bonhomie.All muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are almost muslim has become a cliche. When Indians read that politically correct statement that Indian doctors were involved in the Glasgow attack, they immediately knew it must be muslim. Not some Suresh, Williams or Jain. Indian muslims with a sinking feeling knew. That is the tragedy.The only solution is that they should cut off from the fanatic elements of the middle east, Saudi and others. Indian muslims must have roots and heart in India. If they isolate themselves from the suicidal ummah or whatever, then only India will be spared from global upheavals to a great extent.
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Posted By vivek aahuja Comments (18) Politics
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mujahidd Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:22:14 PM
brother vivek u r frm a religion which is almost of a one region so u cant understand the brotherhood of religion all over the wold.1st u have written that almost all terrorist r muslim.then tell me the naxallies of india r totally HINDU,naxallist r harming our coutry the most,allmost every weak their is naxall attack.brother be polite to all.if u have this type thinking how can a muslim can communicate with society.the society and the media spreading false image of muslim.is the muslim have only the work to save them frm false alligation.
vivekaahuja Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:32:16 PM
naxalites activities are mostly localised though they are more violent. naxalites though they appear like from hindu have no religion as such as their leader is Mao and naxalites are mostly drawn from tribals with their own gods.
shahab_ind Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:10:10 PM
Dear Vivek..... you have written very easily that all the terrorists are almost muslims. that is the main fuss.... people like you dont think what they are saying. this is the main reason why muslims get irritated from the other community. My friend, muslims r so sweet that u cant even imagine. be closer to them & see. secondly, what do u know about their religion???? whatever science is telling now whether its geography or philosophy, muslim religion has said already.... first u go in details & then tell anything. If muslims are the terrorists then who is responsible to make them a terrorists???? think over it....
shahab_ind Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:15:36 PM
Moreover ur swarg is here but muslim's jannat is not here. its above the sky which a true muslim will get after the death forever. He has to live a very simple & religious life to get the place in Jannat.
vivekaahuja Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:20:22 PM
I said it is a cliche. It has become a habit to say so. Use muslim brotherhood for useful and peaceful purposes. brother there is no swarg or jannat. whatever is here only.
desi Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:31:58 PM
Who is Hanuman? and why only Hanuman is been given puja..why not all monkeys. and Ram is the God why did Ram sent Hanuman to know about Sita whether she is alive or not! why a God will not now the present and the past and what is going to happen. what a joke. First think what is Islam and learn about it with a right person and then comment.
Badmash Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:51:34 PM
Talk about Muslim terrorist and Badmash is not invited? Vivek- these blind zombie muslim cann't understand what is Hindusim.wotsa patriotism, they will cry for Saddam, UAE, Osama, afganistan. shame on indian Muslim
Badmash Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:53:38 PM
There is cannot be as such comparison between Hindusim and Islam, first islam act like Human Beings...then compare with other religion
Badmash Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:09:56 PM
Desi Sunday- Idiot, somewhere muslims were complaing ki Hindu worship every animal monkey, Cow, rat, fish, and Now what i see here u complaining that we don't worship Moneky? whats you all muslims problem?Ram- each and every person are equaly close to God as Ram and Krishna, and wot makes them God, -Karma, duty, responsiblites to country and peoples, they were Perfect Man, no one is perfect on earth but these Dudes were really Perfect.
tushar Sunday, July 15, 2007 11:20:07 PM
The mindless violence that muslims are indulging in all over the world.in the name of religion deserves strongest condemnation.Instead of contributing to the humanity and the world ,they are wreaking chaos and mayhem by giving false alibis of their persecution.While claiming to be themselves austere and attacking the rest of the civilization .blinded by medieval dogmas are trying thrust on civilised world.In a recent google survey the Pakistanis are found to be on top for logging on on sites ,it amply debunks them of their mralistic pretensions of their islamic values for being austere..They must come out of their dark persuits like jehad,fatwas and obscurtist mindset and join the mainstream of enlightened world and be progressive.
ikchhugani Monday, July 16, 2007 6:14:38 AM
Desperately Needed From Masjids ... Clerics Who Can Motivate Citizens Of India To Fight.Fight not over, WHY YOU WORE THAT DRESS ? ... or Why you spoke against MY God ? or Why my community MUST have 99% reservations ? ... But more important matter .... Desperately seeking some Clerics from Masjids to motivate citizens of India to do something for themselves, like making an effort to reduce corruption, making an effort to force the Rogue Police to change their ways. If these clerics can motivate hundreds to lay down their lives, fighting forces millions of times large, like the UK defence forces, Pakistani military, Indian army, etc, etc ... This simple convincing, should be an extremely easy Job. If you know any Clerics, please guide them to me, through my website www.RoguePolice.com . It is time the citizens of India, shed their timid attitude towards, disgusting conduct of the Politicans, police, the bureacrats and the judiciary ... the confidence being felt within Indians, due to rapid economic progress, should also be felt in other areas... like confidence to usher in change What we require is a strong peoples movement to take on the arrogant, corrupt Government officials and politicians, Rogues in the Police force and the Judiciary... JOIN IN NOW. CITIZENS POLICING THE CORRUPT AND POLICE IS A MUST TODAY. Visit ... www.RoguePolice.com/policing.htm
Infidel Monday, July 16, 2007 6:21:28 AM
A thoughtful article by vivek. Good responses by tushar and my friend badmash. Vivek wrote:"An Indian muslim is born not into a family but into a religion".A small correction, All muslims are born into a religion than to a family, a society or a nation. They are born for UMMAH. For a true muslim, everything else comes after Islam. I have seen many muslims from all over the globe for whom islam is above their family, their motherland and the very society they live in.
Infidel Monday, July 16, 2007 6:27:31 AM
Shahab wrote::My friend, muslims r so sweet that u cant even imagine. be closer to them & see".In general, we can find good, bad and ugly natured persons in every religion and every country. Muslims are not a problem but Islam is for sure. A true muslim (who follows quran and sunnah properly)cant be a good human being and vice versa. Once a person frees himself from evil of islam, he can see the light of humanity and freedom of thoughts.
Infidel Monday, July 16, 2007 6:32:32 AM
Shahab wrote:"whatever science is telling now whether its geography or philosophy, muslim religion has said already"Please prove your claim.Shahab wrote:"If muslims are the terrorists then who is responsible to make them a terrorists??"It's Islam and its scriptures (Quran, hadiths, tafsirs etc) who are responsible for making mulsims terrorists. Moreover, "everything is in quran-the word of allah" notion is responsible for the backwardness, intelectual submission and stangnancy to 7th century barbarism of muslim ummah.
Rocking Monday, July 16, 2007 12:39:41 PM
Infidel you don't know anything about Islam so don't say ill of it. and don't tarnish the image.and if you still do it will not harm Islam but on the contrary it will get more popularity. which is the reason it is the fastest spreading religion on earth. icluding America and europe.
Desi Monday, July 16, 2007 2:10:39 PM
Badmash u are born to Badmash that's why u speak badmas and think badmash, where were u before the bombay bomb blasts, many innocent muslims and many other were killed, buy u r netas is this, what ur religion teaches u and when it comes to u. It is not a terrorism? U know u cannot prove about your self or your community? And for your kind info you people make communities... If your mother, sister or wife or brother or someone has faced in your family u will now better? First correct your society? Then the state and then Country ? I Islam teaches us love our place,society & country too. But you people think that you are all only the true indian, and most of you only are the reason to make India a corrupt...Harming any human being is a terror? Then think on the name of religion you have done many things?
sumon dutta Monday, July 16, 2007 8:24:54 PM
Dear,Vevek you are right. Good article.Naxal people are brother of ISI.Please watch PTV. You shall get correct information from them.Naxal people don’t use religious dialogue in their political speech.They have lot of Muslim member. Search it if you have any interest about them.
infidel Monday, July 16, 2007 8:48:11 PM
Rocking aka Macho man,I never claimed that I know Islam or any other religion fully. But so far none of the muslim/dhimmi bloggers could refute a single point of mine here. Give it a try, if you can.Islam is evil by its nature, so no matter who says good or bad about it, it remains an evil and bloodthirsty cult. It is FASTEST GROWING MYTH that Islam is fastest growing religion (read cult). Muslim population is growing mainly due to reproduction of momeens like rats. Muslims are leaving islam in millions whereas converts to islam are in thousands and most of them again leaving islam in 1-3 years. Please read my article on leaving islam.
1:13:38 PM
Posted By vivek aahuja Comments (18) Politics
Comments
mujahidd Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:22:14 PM
brother vivek u r frm a religion which is almost of a one region so u cant understand the brotherhood of religion all over the wold.1st u have written that almost all terrorist r muslim.then tell me the naxallies of india r totally HINDU,naxallist r harming our coutry the most,allmost every weak their is naxall attack.brother be polite to all.if u have this type thinking how can a muslim can communicate with society.the society and the media spreading false image of muslim.is the muslim have only the work to save them frm false alligation.
vivekaahuja Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:32:16 PM
naxalites activities are mostly localised though they are more violent. naxalites though they appear like from hindu have no religion as such as their leader is Mao and naxalites are mostly drawn from tribals with their own gods.
shahab_ind Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:10:10 PM
Dear Vivek..... you have written very easily that all the terrorists are almost muslims. that is the main fuss.... people like you dont think what they are saying. this is the main reason why muslims get irritated from the other community. My friend, muslims r so sweet that u cant even imagine. be closer to them & see. secondly, what do u know about their religion???? whatever science is telling now whether its geography or philosophy, muslim religion has said already.... first u go in details & then tell anything. If muslims are the terrorists then who is responsible to make them a terrorists???? think over it....
shahab_ind Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:15:36 PM
Moreover ur swarg is here but muslim's jannat is not here. its above the sky which a true muslim will get after the death forever. He has to live a very simple & religious life to get the place in Jannat.
vivekaahuja Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:20:22 PM
I said it is a cliche. It has become a habit to say so. Use muslim brotherhood for useful and peaceful purposes. brother there is no swarg or jannat. whatever is here only.
desi Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:31:58 PM
Who is Hanuman? and why only Hanuman is been given puja..why not all monkeys. and Ram is the God why did Ram sent Hanuman to know about Sita whether she is alive or not! why a God will not now the present and the past and what is going to happen. what a joke. First think what is Islam and learn about it with a right person and then comment.
Badmash Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:51:34 PM
Talk about Muslim terrorist and Badmash is not invited? Vivek- these blind zombie muslim cann't understand what is Hindusim.wotsa patriotism, they will cry for Saddam, UAE, Osama, afganistan. shame on indian Muslim
Badmash Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:53:38 PM
There is cannot be as such comparison between Hindusim and Islam, first islam act like Human Beings...then compare with other religion
Badmash Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:09:56 PM
Desi Sunday- Idiot, somewhere muslims were complaing ki Hindu worship every animal monkey, Cow, rat, fish, and Now what i see here u complaining that we don't worship Moneky? whats you all muslims problem?Ram- each and every person are equaly close to God as Ram and Krishna, and wot makes them God, -Karma, duty, responsiblites to country and peoples, they were Perfect Man, no one is perfect on earth but these Dudes were really Perfect.
tushar Sunday, July 15, 2007 11:20:07 PM
The mindless violence that muslims are indulging in all over the world.in the name of religion deserves strongest condemnation.Instead of contributing to the humanity and the world ,they are wreaking chaos and mayhem by giving false alibis of their persecution.While claiming to be themselves austere and attacking the rest of the civilization .blinded by medieval dogmas are trying thrust on civilised world.In a recent google survey the Pakistanis are found to be on top for logging on on sites ,it amply debunks them of their mralistic pretensions of their islamic values for being austere..They must come out of their dark persuits like jehad,fatwas and obscurtist mindset and join the mainstream of enlightened world and be progressive.
ikchhugani Monday, July 16, 2007 6:14:38 AM
Desperately Needed From Masjids ... Clerics Who Can Motivate Citizens Of India To Fight.Fight not over, WHY YOU WORE THAT DRESS ? ... or Why you spoke against MY God ? or Why my community MUST have 99% reservations ? ... But more important matter .... Desperately seeking some Clerics from Masjids to motivate citizens of India to do something for themselves, like making an effort to reduce corruption, making an effort to force the Rogue Police to change their ways. If these clerics can motivate hundreds to lay down their lives, fighting forces millions of times large, like the UK defence forces, Pakistani military, Indian army, etc, etc ... This simple convincing, should be an extremely easy Job. If you know any Clerics, please guide them to me, through my website www.RoguePolice.com . It is time the citizens of India, shed their timid attitude towards, disgusting conduct of the Politicans, police, the bureacrats and the judiciary ... the confidence being felt within Indians, due to rapid economic progress, should also be felt in other areas... like confidence to usher in change What we require is a strong peoples movement to take on the arrogant, corrupt Government officials and politicians, Rogues in the Police force and the Judiciary... JOIN IN NOW. CITIZENS POLICING THE CORRUPT AND POLICE IS A MUST TODAY. Visit ... www.RoguePolice.com/policing.htm
Infidel Monday, July 16, 2007 6:21:28 AM
A thoughtful article by vivek. Good responses by tushar and my friend badmash. Vivek wrote:"An Indian muslim is born not into a family but into a religion".A small correction, All muslims are born into a religion than to a family, a society or a nation. They are born for UMMAH. For a true muslim, everything else comes after Islam. I have seen many muslims from all over the globe for whom islam is above their family, their motherland and the very society they live in.
Infidel Monday, July 16, 2007 6:27:31 AM
Shahab wrote::My friend, muslims r so sweet that u cant even imagine. be closer to them & see".In general, we can find good, bad and ugly natured persons in every religion and every country. Muslims are not a problem but Islam is for sure. A true muslim (who follows quran and sunnah properly)cant be a good human being and vice versa. Once a person frees himself from evil of islam, he can see the light of humanity and freedom of thoughts.
Infidel Monday, July 16, 2007 6:32:32 AM
Shahab wrote:"whatever science is telling now whether its geography or philosophy, muslim religion has said already"Please prove your claim.Shahab wrote:"If muslims are the terrorists then who is responsible to make them a terrorists??"It's Islam and its scriptures (Quran, hadiths, tafsirs etc) who are responsible for making mulsims terrorists. Moreover, "everything is in quran-the word of allah" notion is responsible for the backwardness, intelectual submission and stangnancy to 7th century barbarism of muslim ummah.
Rocking Monday, July 16, 2007 12:39:41 PM
Infidel you don't know anything about Islam so don't say ill of it. and don't tarnish the image.and if you still do it will not harm Islam but on the contrary it will get more popularity. which is the reason it is the fastest spreading religion on earth. icluding America and europe.
Desi Monday, July 16, 2007 2:10:39 PM
Badmash u are born to Badmash that's why u speak badmas and think badmash, where were u before the bombay bomb blasts, many innocent muslims and many other were killed, buy u r netas is this, what ur religion teaches u and when it comes to u. It is not a terrorism? U know u cannot prove about your self or your community? And for your kind info you people make communities... If your mother, sister or wife or brother or someone has faced in your family u will now better? First correct your society? Then the state and then Country ? I Islam teaches us love our place,society & country too. But you people think that you are all only the true indian, and most of you only are the reason to make India a corrupt...Harming any human being is a terror? Then think on the name of religion you have done many things?
sumon dutta Monday, July 16, 2007 8:24:54 PM
Dear,Vevek you are right. Good article.Naxal people are brother of ISI.Please watch PTV. You shall get correct information from them.Naxal people don’t use religious dialogue in their political speech.They have lot of Muslim member. Search it if you have any interest about them.
infidel Monday, July 16, 2007 8:48:11 PM
Rocking aka Macho man,I never claimed that I know Islam or any other religion fully. But so far none of the muslim/dhimmi bloggers could refute a single point of mine here. Give it a try, if you can.Islam is evil by its nature, so no matter who says good or bad about it, it remains an evil and bloodthirsty cult. It is FASTEST GROWING MYTH that Islam is fastest growing religion (read cult). Muslim population is growing mainly due to reproduction of momeens like rats. Muslims are leaving islam in millions whereas converts to islam are in thousands and most of them again leaving islam in 1-3 years. Please read my article on leaving islam.
2 comments:
I want to ask a gud muslims three question
1. If a person is very gud to all, full of non violence,lovable to all and never hurts anyone . but he does not believe in Allah. Will he go to heaven.
2. But if a person like Osama bin laden wdo killed millions of people was a sex addict but he had full faith in god and used to do all the islamic duties like namaz etc. Wii he go to hell of heavan.
3. If a father in law rapes his daughter in law . What will happen to the daugher in law as per Quran.
I want to ask a gud muslims three question
1. If a person is very gud to all, full of non violence,lovable to all and never hurts anyone . but he does not believe in Allah. Will he go to heaven.
2. But if a person like Osama bin laden wdo killed millions of people was a sex addict but he had full faith in god and used to do all the islamic duties like namaz etc. Wii he go to hell of heavan.
3. If a father in law rapes his daughter in law . What will happen to the daugher in law as per Quran.
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