Author of Quran revealed - with Islamic proof

Wednesday, February 21, 2007
AUTHOR OF QURAN REVEALED - With Islamic Proof
Dear readers,
Though, this blog is especially for Human, Learner, Muneer, Ajmal, Irshad, Rumple and all other muslim bloggers, you all are most welcome to comment here. (No abuses please).
I was debating with Human and Learner on validity of quran. I haven’t got any response from Human for more than 2 weeks now. It looks that he is too busy now-a-days. Learner left the debate even before him.
Anyways, while going through some hadiths, I found a GEM, which I am going to share with you all.
This hadiths will make it clear that the author of quran is not god but Muhammad himself.
A companion of Muhammad said in this hadiths that he suggested three things to Muhammad and those three things were accepted and revealed in quran
Now, you can decide by yourselves the divinity of quran.
Sahuh al-Bukari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 395:
Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab: My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
Here are the verses quoted in this hadith:
002.125 YUSUFALI: Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
066.005 YUSUFALI: It may be, if he divorced you (all), that Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you,- who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or VIRGINS. (SEE THE LUST OF MO TOWARDS VIRGINS)
I don't think any more proof is required.
The above reference is from SAHIH BUKHARI HADITH and anybody can check it at
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/008.sbt.html#001.008.395
AND ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST. LOL.
PS: Dear Venu, PM, Ratan, Radhakrishnan, Sage, Badmash, JJ, Ghanshyam, Vijay and all other nonmuslim bloggers,
Plesae feel free to comment on the article.
Regards
12:28:55 AM
Posted By Infidel M Comments (38) Musings
Comments
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:29:14 AM
Hope this will open the closed minds and hearts of zombies and they will realise that they have been fooled for last 1400 years by pedophile MO and his comic book HOLY CRAP QURAN.
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:29:59 AM
I am sorry, badmash, I will add it right now.
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:31:17 AM
Aap ka naam list mai add kar diya. Sorry once again.
Badmash Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:39:05 AM
Thanks brother :)don't be sorry :)
Badmash Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:48:14 AM
mera name missing hain list mai :(-by the way i found very amazing artical will post it tomorrow-
jj Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:58:09 AM
infi give your mind some rest. dont be obsessed with islam and spoil your health. just let go.dont fill this blogosphere with anti islamic stuff. even though scholarly, it isnt going to serve any purpose. it is a matter of personal faith and is beyond question.
sage Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:34:10 AM
thanks infidel,as much as you are digging you are finding more filth in muslims, it is not that muslims are filthy after iraq, but they are born flithy, filthy minds, and spreading filth everywhere.now we should find a permanent solution to this filth.even recycling filth is not advisable with filthy muslims as even after many recycles they will be still filthy.
The Truth Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:41:41 PM
There are fifteen things which Allah Ta'ala made Shari'ah (law) in accordance to the opinion of Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu). Thirteen of which are verses which Allah Ta'ala revealed in the Qur'aan and the remaining two in the Tawraat. The thirteen in the Qur'aan are: a. To perform Salaat behind the Maqaam-e-Ibraahim (Surah 1 verse 125). b. The women should don the Hijaab (Surah 33 Aayat 67) c. The prisoners of war in the battle of Badr should be killed (Surah 8 verse 67) d. The incident in which Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) advised the wives of Nabi(Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) not to cause him (Nabi) any inconvenience(Surah 66 Aayat 5) e. In the same incident, when the prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) went into seclusion, then Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) consoled the prophet(Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) by saying, 'Allah is with you, Jibraaeel(Alayhis salaam), myself, Abu Bakr (Radhiallaahu Anhu) and the believers are all with you.' Allah Ta'ala revealed a verse accordingly. (Surah 66 verse4) contd....
The Truth Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:45:37 PM
f. Not to perform Janaaza Salaat for the hypocrites (Surah 9 Aayat 84) g. Not to seek forgiveness for the hypocrites (Surah 63 Aayat 6) h. The praises of Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) for Allah Ta'ala about how he created man through different stages (Surah 23 Aayat 14) i. The incident of Ifk - Allah Ta'ala revealed a verse showing the freedom of Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha) in accordance to the statement of Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu), i.e. 'Glory be to Allah, this is a great slander.' (Surah 24 Aayat 16) j. The incident in which Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) tells a Jew that if the qualities of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) are present in their book, why will they refuse to accept him. (Surah 2 Aayat 97-98) k. Prohibition of liquor (Surah 2 Aayat 219) l. Slaves should seek permission to the master's home (Surah 24 aayat 58) m. These verse, 'A large group of people will enter paradise' (Surah 56 Aayat 40) was revealed after Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) complained to Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) about why only a few people will gain salvation in the hereafter.
The Truth Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:58:07 PM
Mr. Infidel,You have got everything analysed wrongly.Whenever there was any decision to be made (when no revelations were there on that issue) The Prophet used to consult his closest companions Abu Baker, Umar, Usman and Ali (who became the caliphs fater him).There are 15 instances when The Prophet gave a viewpoint and Hadrath Umar disagreed and gave another viewpoint. And then the revelations came similar to the viewpoint of Umar.
The Truth Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:58:39 PM
As for the two in the Tawraat, they are: a) A Jew asked Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu), Allah Ta'ala says in the Qur'aan that the width of Jannat is as large as the distance between the earth and the sky, so where is Jahannum? Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) asked the other Sahaaba to answer him, to which nobody did. Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) himself replied, 'When daylight comes, does it not cover the entire atmosphere between the earth and the sky?' the Jew said, 'Yes'. Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said, 'Then where is night?' The Jew acknowledged this, took an oath and said that this is exactly what the Tawraat said. b) Once a Jew recited a verse from the Tawraat in the presence of Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu). Thereafter, Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said to the Jew, 'Except he who takes stock of himself.' The Jew took an oath and said that,'O Umar, this statement of yours is found in the same sequence in the Tawraat.' (Bukhaari pg.706 footnote No.7; Qadeemi) and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
The Truth Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:06:10 PM
Mr.Infidel,This shows the truthfulness and the great judgement and intellectual mind of Hadrath Umar who gave some great decisions on fiqh and shariah in the later years for the benefit of muslims.You can get details of the verses quoted above in Imam Yusuf Ali's translations with commentary.This also shows that the Prophet was an ordinary human being like us and was incapable of writing such a divine book with so many accurate facts. Whatever lies and fitlh you quote and manipulate the words, THE TRUTH CANNOT BE CHANGED.When there are difference of opinion on an issue for which no proper knowledge is there, then one has to follow the divine guidance. In these 15 instances the opinion of Umar was correct as he had analysed the problem correctly and commented his opinion which the Prophet later followed after the revelations.
psycho Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:10:02 PM
don't trouble your brain by thinking and analysing too much infidel..the FUSE might go off suddenly due to heavy load..
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:12:01 PM
You are truly a blind follower. You don't even want to use your brain. Great.When I wrote 3 things, you came up with 15 things, proving further more that Mo wrote quran. Thanks bro, for your support in proving that quran is not divine but a comic book of pedo MO.This is another proof that MO gathered his knowledge from his companions, especially from those 4 caliphs whom he trusted so much.Use your brain at least once in your life time and see that it is word to word copy of what umar said in those verses. So they are umar's words and not god's. The only difference is that MO uttered them in the name of allah. I know you will not understand, but others will, what I want to convey.
clueless Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:25:40 PM
ndtv ursick. u dont change post of the days for years, stories and poems change once in 2months speakup has no connection/ u allow perverts to misuse this space/ you exercise no control over anything/ when somebody tries to contact you never reply/ is this extreme arrogance or indifferenc/
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:28:33 PM
Dear The Truth,I thank you for proving my points even in details. you wrote:"In these 15 instances the OPINION OF UMAR WAS CORRECT AS HE ANALYSED THE PROBLEM CORRECTLY AND COMMENTED HIS OPINION WHICH THE PROPHET LATER FOLLOWED after the revelations."That is all I want to say. Mo realised that Umar's point of view is correct and he revealed his opinion in the name of his sleeve god allah, which you people still believe that it was god who agreed with umar.Understand one thing, God neither needs any Mo or umar to make his decision nor their opinion could change god's verses nor he has to agree or disagree with anyone. Further more, why god has to use word to word copy of umar's words as divine verse? Does not this ring a bell in your mind? How can umar be equivalent to god so that god used his verse in quran? So actually quran also contains umar's verse hence it is not from true god but certainly from mo (who uttered in the name of allah).
Irshad4u Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:38:39 PM
"If you want your life to be more rewarding, you have to change the way you think of others."no way but Islam
The Truth Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:51:13 PM
Infidel,The revelations were NOT word to word copy/paste style...The subject matter was important and what analysis Umar gave was consented by God in the verses.For example:The women should don the Hijaab (Surah 33 Aayat 67) What Umar said when he saw one of the Prophet's wives going to the restroom was to keep yourself covered so that you may not be identfied by other men because in the night sky he could make out the appearance of the lady.The qranic verse was not same but in detail giving a lot more info about the do's and dont's.
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:56:18 PM
Dear psycho,Thanks for concern. At last you people understood what is thinking and analysing. Thanks buddy.I will keep on checking my FUSE in order to sustain heavy loads, if any. What about you, did you get your FUSE back as it was removed during indoctrination process?
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:59:38 PM
Irshad, you have to prove so many things but you prefer to copy-paste.Anyway, why don't you try to prove that quran is god's word or MO was not a pedophile?Or you can try to refute the above article, its upto you. I know that you cannot do it but can just try it for a while. What do you say?
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:10:54 PM
The Truth,Please read one more time the hadith I provided above.What does it say?Point #1: Umar is saying to MO that I WISH to take the station of Abraham as praying place. He also said, "SO CAME THE DIVINE INSPIRATION" with exactly what he told to MO. Where god came in between them. Umar is saying to MO and MO is uttering the exactly same thing, word by word, where is allah came from there, (surely mo told this in the name of allah, the all knowing, phew)
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39:12 PM
In point #3 of the same hadith, umar said:I SAID TO THEM, "It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you."So THIS VERSE (THE SAME AS I HAD SAID) WAS REVEALED."For people like you, I have provided the relevent verses along with the hadith for comparison. They are exactly the same (rather copy-paste) as umar's version and further proving that quran is from MO.
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:47:42 PM
You wrote;"what analysis Umar gave was consented by God in the verses."Just replace GOD by MO, then it becomes:"what analysis Umar gave was consented by MO in the verses".Isn't it more realistic? God does not need anybody's analysis to reveal his verse. He is all knowing and knows the best (don't you say everytime that allah knows the best)Why he needs umar's or anybody else's analysis and comments to reveal a verse? Can't he do it by himself?But, on the other hand, MO certainly needed umar's analysis and comments time to time. Whenever he found that umar's decision/analysis is better, he revealed it (Though, as if allah told him).And you people can not see this, while it is crystal clear now. Umar tells MO that I WISH so & so.. and MO reveals the same thing (detto what umar said to him) as divine verse, and you believe that as true god's word. What an indoctrination!!
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:50:52 PM
The Truth,Umar said in above hadith:"So this verse (THE SAME AS I HAD SAID) was revealed"Then who are you to say that they are not same?Both cannot be correct.Then, Who is lying here, you or your caliph? Are you above your caliph and SAHIH HADITH?
NAQLImuslim Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:56:47 PM
Infidel,Sage,Venu,Irshad,Learner, Human &Co, I want to know one thing from all of you:WAS MOHAMMED A PROPHET BY BIRTH OR HE BECAME A CHOSEN PROPHET AT THE AGE OF 40? IF SO, WHAT WAS THAT EXTRA 0RDINARY THING HE DID WHICH MADE "ALLAH" TO SINGLE HIM OUT FOR THE SPECIAL FAVOUR.If QURAN was revealed to him by god alone,what is the proof--solid legal evidence?
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:07:22 PM
For your question regarding so called prophethood at 40, you need to know the background of that. I'll write in short here.MO was hand to mouth in his childhood and was getting fits now and then. He maried a very reach widow khadija (40) when he was 25. He continued to get fits. Since MO used to travel with his uncle for trading, he took care of khadija's business. He heard lot of stories about Jews and Christians from his uncle and others. When he was around 40, his business declined. His fits became more frequent. In his hellucination, he saw gabriel (Same angel to previous prophet)and started blubberring while in fits. This is how prophethood came to him.
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:17:47 PM
Dear NAQLImuslim,The proof is very simple, you can ask any muslism. It is like this:Who says Mo was a prophet -- QuranWho wrote Quran --MOWho said quran is from god --MOThis is known as "CIRCULAR REASONING". Compare to this one: where is ram's house -- opposite to rahim'swhere is rahim's house -- opposite to ram'swhere are their houses -- AAMNE _SAAMNE (opposite to each other)Did we get your answer where their houses are? NO. Will you ever get a proof that quran is divine and MO is prophet? NO.you will only find, quran says so.... and mo said so....
Infidel Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:08:09 PM
Please read "VERY RICH WIDOW"
Kazi_Nissar_Ahmad Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:18:58 PM
Infidel & Other Hindu Bhai, HOLI MUBARIK HO. Ab chhodo yeh JUNG-Ladai karne se ek dusre pe keechad hi uchhalega. MUNEER to pagal hai, aap log toh samajhdar ho. Chalo yeh ISLAM/HINDU ladai khatam karo aur insaan ka socho. Kaun kya thaa, woh beeta KALL thaa. Aaj kya hai, yehi SAchai hai. INFIDEL/VENU/PERFECTM/SAGE request hai koi aur baat karo.
The Truth Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:46:32 PM
Infidel,Kindly follow the linkwww.alafasy.com/newsite/index2.php?page=audio&tapeId=7The third file is Surah Rahma`n Chapter 55 in ar`bic recitation. As this rma file plays read the translation of the same surah in english if you have it on net or with you in person by Y`suf Ali etc.Remember that the audio and the text you read should synchronize to understand the meanings effectively.It wont even take 11 minutes of your PRECIOUS TIME...after that I am sure you will not have any doubts whatsover about who wrote the Q`ran and you need not ask any blogger here about it.Happy listening and understanding!
Roger Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:55:05 AM
Infidel, your knowledge of Islam seems quite deep. But faith is beyond analysis and proof ands I do not understand the neccesity of attacking anyones faith. Live and let live. What really intrigues me is how you can find so much time to argue with the other participants in this debate which can never have a resolution!
Infidel Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:35:25 AM
Dear The truth,That's all you could say. I am surprised. This is not first time that a muslim telling me to read surah 55. I have read it many times and didn't find anything divine in it's 78 verses. BUt bieng a believer you must be very much impressed by this surah and whenever you have any doubt about islam, you go and read this sura in order to confirm your faith. That is what many muslims do.Please show me a single divine verse in this entire surah which was not known to the people before muhammad.Just by saying in half of the surah that "which of the favours of your lord will you deny" does not make it divine. It should have some divine content which makes it out of this world.Show me something, please.I can show you absurdities in this surah. Verse 55.17 says:"(HE is) Lord of the TWO Easts and Lord of the TWO Wests" ???TWO WEST AND TWO EAST, MO (or allah) must be kidding!!!!Besides, this sura is full of fairy tales like jinns, jannah, jahannum etc. which believers like you have to believe as part and parcel of islam. That's why you see divinity in it but can never prove to us. I don't believe in such fairy tales and hence for me such a sura is nothing but a piece of fiction story.The writer of quran says:55:2 "It is HE Who has taught the Qur'an"55:3"HE has created man:"55:4" HE has taught him speech (and intelligence)." The Truth, please tell me if allah has written quran then he should say like this:55:2" It is ME (not HE)who..55:3 "I have created...55:4 "I have taught... etc.Clearly it is MO telling that HE (allah) has done this or that. Hope you got it this time. If not, let me know.
sage Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:43:07 AM
all the reasons given to kill inocent people is quran, does quran teach you to kill inocent people, be anti national in the country you muslims live in, does quran ask to call sucide bombers as martyrs. does quran not teach you that even if you kill innocent people in india you willnever serve the purpose. does quran teach you to be pedophile .
The Truth Thursday, February 22, 2007 5:47:47 PM
If God were to take mankind to task for what they have earned, He would not leave a single creature crawling on the surface (of the earth), but He is deferring them until a specified time. Then, when their time comes, God sees His servants! (Surah Fatir: 45)Your Lord is The Ever-Forgiving, The Possessor of Mercy. If He had taken them to task for what they have earned, He would have hastened their punishment. Instead, they have a promised appointment and they will not find any refuge from it. (Surat al-Kahf: 58)Those who disbelieve should not imagine that the extra time We grant to them is good for them. We only allow them more time so they will increase in evildoing. They will have a humiliating punishment. (Surah Ali 'Imran: 178)And were it not for a decree that has already gone forth from your Lord, and a specified term, (their punishment) would have inevitably taken place already. (Surah Ta Ha: 129)I will give them more time. My subtle scheme is sure. (Surat al-A'raf: 183)
kam na kaj Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:21:52 PM
kam na kaj ke dushman anaj ke
Infidel Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:26:57 PM
Dear The Truth,You really disappointed me. I expected more from you. but you are not different from others. Sorry, but that's what I felt.I asked you many things, but instead of replying, you quoted few verses from quran. OK, no problem, bro. Tell me, who is addressing GOD in your quoted verses:1)HE would... (IS GOD saying HE to himself or more realistically MO is saying HE for GOD, what is your opinion?)2)HE had taken.... (SAme thing)3)WE grant (NOw allah is one then who are this WE?)4)YOur Lord....5)I will.... NOw, please clarify, Is it god who is addressing himself in above 5 verses as HE, WE, YOUR LORD, I? If yes, he is very poor in grammer and don't know how to address himself. Allah should know that he is the only god (as per islam) so he shouldn't say WE. He is saying HE in first two verses to himself, do you say HE or WE for yourself? I don't think so, you say I or ME, don't you?If NO, then MO written in the name of allah.In some other verses he said "ALLAH" for himself in quran, which is again an grammatical error. Please enlighten us this time, THE TRUTH.
wrong Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:00:40 PM
KAM NA KAJ KE DUSHMAN SAMJ KE
Infidel Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:28:26 PM
Again showing your islamic wisdom here. Good comic show for we infidels, please carry on, we need clowns like you to laugh upon.