Reg. untruths and lies by the Islam Bashers

Saturday, February 17, 2007
Reg. untruths and lies by the Islam Bashers
My response to the "Child Molester" lie against our beloved Prophet, Muhammad peace be upon him:
The sections of this article are:
1- Introduction.
- Child brides as young as 8 were common, not exceptions, among the Byzantine emperors and nobility.
2- My response to the "Child Molester" lie against Prophet Muhammad.
- A picture of a 9-year old girl giving birth in Thailand. - 12-year old in Romania getting married.
3- Was Aisha engaged to someone else before she got engaged to Muhammad? 4- The Middle Eastern and other Cultures. 5- What about Aisha's parents (mom and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?6- More on Aisha's Marriage and its acceptance by the Arab culture back then. 7- But still, she is considered a child in our standards today! 8- Was Muhammad a pedophile?9- The life span 1400 years ago was short. 10- What about Mary, Jesus' Mother peace be upon both of them? How old was she when she got pregnant? 11- What about the Bible's Prophets' marriages? 12- What about the X-Rated Pornography in the Bible? 13- Jesus never got married before. Therefore, Muhammad is not truthful? Jesus could've been genitally mutilated from his circumcision when he was a child. 14- Conclusion.
1- Introduction:
Introduction:
Aisha in Islam:
Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet in Islam!
First of all, it is important to know:
Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was:
People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc...
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc...
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc...
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc...
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc...
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc... Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], etc...
Child brides as young as 8 (eight) were common among the Byzantine emperors and nobility!
The article specifically says they were common and not exceptions!
It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.
That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many third world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.
Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!
So to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile for marrying a girl that was OFFERED TO HIM by her parents and was accepted by all of the people back then including the enemies of Islam, the pagans, is quite absurd.
The pedophilia in the bible was quite different, because girls were raped at 3-years of age by Moses and his men.Also, in Exodus 21:7-11 as further elaborated on below, girls were sold off as slave girls by their own fathers to other men. So most certainly, no one is qualified to call the Prophet of Islam a pedophile!
*** X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.
*** Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.
Young girls in the Bible and Jewish Talmud. Let's look at two main points in the Bible:
1- 3-year old slave girls were forced into sex under the Mosaic Law in the Bible.2- Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible.
1- 3-year old slave girls were forced into sex under the Mosaic Law in the Bible:
Pedophilia with 3-year old slave girls in the Bible!Forcing 3-year old slave girls into sex during the Mosaic Law in the Bible! (click here)
Is the GOD of Israel a pedophile?
Quick side Note:
Numbers 31:35-40 "[From the captives of war] 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.......of which the tribute for the LORD was 32 [among them were virgin girls]."
Even though GOD Almighty's share of the 32 virgin girls is metaphoric, meaning that He didn't come down and have sex with them, but if any wants to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile or womanizer for marrying (his best friend's daughter with both her parents' approval) a young girl and marrying multiple women throughout his life, then he should not only call his Biblical Prophets as such, but also the GOD of Israel Himself!
Also today, the Jewish law for marriage sets the age of consent for females at 11. (Consent is only one way of marriage) I do not know if modern Jewish law still allows (in theory) betrothal by intercourse as it was practiced in ancient times. Thirty years ago, the renowned sexologist R.E.L. Masters and Allan Edwardes said in their study of Afro-Asian sexual expression (_The Cradle of Erotica_, Julian Press, New York:1962) said, "Today, in many parts of North Africa, Arabia, and India, girls are wedded and bedded between the ages of five and nine; and no self-respecting female remains unmarried beyond the age of puberty." **** Also, the age consent in the US and Europe only 100 years ago for girls' marriage was as little as 10, and some popular men figures married little girls who were as young as their daughters. I have provided the Western links and proofs.
By the way, please visit: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible. The Bible literally says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".
Also visit: Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.
2- Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible:
Exodus 21:7-117. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.8. "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. 9. "If he designates her for his son [Note: "his son" means that the master is either her father's age or even much older!], he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10. "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. 11. "If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
First of all, did the daughter have any choice to be sold off by her father, married off by her master to either himself or his son? No!
Also, the fact that the master can either marry her or marry her off to his son, means that MOST LIKELY, SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER'S AGE and younger than his son!! So he's probably at least 30+ years older than her. Yet, he himself (her father's age or even MUCH older) can marry her.
Again, please visit: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible. The Bible literally says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".
Also visit: Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.
Also, the fact that there is no AGE LIMIT to how girls in the Bible were sold off and married off to other men, WITHOUT ANY CHOICE, who were much much older than them as also the case with the Biblical Prophets who married 100s of wives each clearly proves the hypocrisy of some Christians who attack Islam through Aisha's very young age, while they clearly ignore the same fact in their own Bible. Here is a sample of the 100s of wives of the Biblical Prophets:
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
Please visit: Aisha was "9" when she married our Prophet. If this is weird or unacceptable to you, then are BOTH HER PARENTS and the whole Arabs' culture BACK THEN also guilty for giving her and others like her in marriage to other men, 1500 years ago?
Even today, girls in many third-world countries are married off at the same or similar age. Also, it is believed by many Jews and Roman Catholics that Mary was 12 - 14 when she had Jesus. Also as I said, the Biblical Prophets who had 100s of wives each most probably married young girls as well.
Also, what about Aisha's PARENTS (MOM AND DAD)? Didn't they see it right and fit to marry their daughter at that age and at that time? Who are we to judge? Who are we to judge?
Also, see why Muta (temporary) Marriage was allowed and why it was discontinued.
A picture and news paper article about a 9-year old girl from Thailand gave birth
A 12-year old Christian girl getting married in Romania
Also as I said, didn't the Biblical Prophets marry 100s of wives each? Is it possible that some of those wives were little girls as well? It's both highly probable and possible!
Mr. Sam Shamoun of "Answering Islam" even admits that his grandmother was 12 when she got married:
Note: I won't go into the details of his cheap insults and trash words, because I am much higher and classier than him. He has proven himself several times to be a foul-mouthed total loser.Note: I won't go into the details of his cheap insults and trash words, because I am much higher and classier than him. He has proven himself several times to be a foul-mouthed total loser.
QuranSearch Com: questionAnswering Islam: yes QuranSearch Com: how old was your grandma when she got married?Answering Islam: 12 perhaps
The fact that his own Biblical Prophets married 100s of wives each and fathers used to sell their daughters as slave girls to other men without any age limit makes it extremely possible and probable that several if not many of these wives were little girls between 9 to 13, while the Prophets were MUCH MUCH OLDER than them. If his own grandmother who exited THOUSANDS of years later still married at 12, then what makes it impossible for girls during Biblical times to have married way much older men than them when they were little ones?
Since there is no age limit for the girl to be sold by her own father as a slave girl to another man, WHO CAN HAVE SEX WITH HER, then I want to ask Mr. Sam Shamoun here:
Aren't you a total hypocrite for denying that little girls were sold off and married off during biblical times at very young age to much much older men (as I proved in Exodus 21:9 above), while making fierce charges against Islam on Aisha's age?
How do you respond to this?
2- My response to the "Child Molester" lie against Prophet Muhammad:
Important Note: Please pay attention toward the end of this article to the Virgin Mary's (peace be upon her) age. According to Christian resources, Mary was 12-14 when she had Jesus. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past. You will also see a section on the Prophets of the Bible who married hundreds of wives and some had even slept with their neighbor's wives and some had exposed their wives in the most disgusting PORNOGRAPHIC way to the entire world in the Bible. You will also see my response to the missionaries' argument: "Jesus never got married, so therefore Muhammad is not truthful".
Every time the Muslims talk about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to the anti-Islamic, the anti-Islamic use Muhammad's marriage with a girl named Aisha as a point against Islam. They claim that since Muhammad was in his 50's and Aisha was only 9 years old, then its ok to call him a "Child Molester":
Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"
Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage. This is further elaborated on in the "The Middle Eastern and other Cultures" and "What about Aisha's parents (mon and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?" and "The life span 1400 years ago was very short" sections below in this article.
The "child molester" charge is a terrible unfair attack on Islam because it doesn't apply to our beloved prophet in anyway!
A picture and news paper article about a 9-year old girl from Thailand gave birth
A 12-year old Christian girl getting married in Romania
Child brides as young as 8 (eight) were common among the Byzantine emperors and nobility!
The article specifically says they were common and not exceptions!
3- Was Aisha engaged to someone else before she got engaged to Muhammad?
I was told that Aisha was already engaged to a non Muslim man named Jober Ibn Al-Moteam Ibn Oday. Back then, the people of Mecca did not object to Aisha's engagement to Jober because she was physically big enough and tall enough to be considered for marriage. Her parents saw that and they engaged her to Jober.
The only reason why Aisha's father, Abu Baker Al Siddeek, broke her engagement with Jober is because he was a non-Muslim. Later, a woman named Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested for Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to marry Aisha, because the Prophet and Abu Baker became best friends. Prophet Muhammad engaged Aisha for 2 years before he married her.
All Muslim scholars agree 100% that Prophet Muhammad and Aisha were engaged for 2 years before marriage. However, some say that she was 7 when she got engaged, and 9 when she got married. Others say that she was 9 when she got engaged and 11 when she got married.
I personally think that it makes more logical sense to say that she was 9 when she got engaged to Prophet Muhammad and 11 when she got married, because if she were 7 when she got engaged to the Prophet, then how old was she when she first got engaged to Jober? I don't think she was big enough and mature enough to get engaged with Jober before the age of 7. I don't think her parents would have allowed it.

4- The Middle Eastern and other Cultures:
If you take the time to study a little bit about the history of the tribes in South America, Middle East, Africa, India and the far eastern Oriental countries 1400 years ago, you would find that many tribes even until today (as shown in the Thai girl's and the 12-year old Romanian girl links above) allow the marriage of females at a very young age.
Do you think it is fair for you to come today and attack our beloved Prophet and call him a child molester when nobody 1400 years ago from his tribe had objected to his marriage? Not even the Pagans of Mecca, nor the Jews and Christians of Medina ever objected to it or used it as a point against Islam as anti-Islamic do today. We all need to understand the culture that we are talking about. Life in the Middle East is a very simple one. It is a lot simpler than what our brain can imagine, because the simplest to us here in America may be a very difficult or complicated thing to them in the Middle East especially for those folks who live in tribes in the rural areas where they don't have TV, electricity, or any electrical equipment. They live on natural water and survive on what they have available from fruits, vegetables and animals as food.Parents look at the girl's physical appearance when they prepare her for marriage. They don't care about her age. She could be 9 or 13, it doesn't matter.

5- What about Aisha's parents (mom and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?
Since Aisha's parents both approved of her engagement with Jober and later approved to her marriage to Muhammad, is it fair for anyone to call her mom and dad and former fiancée and whole tribe all child molesters? I think whoever does that would be out of his mind and needs to study a little history about the Middle East.
Let us look at the following narration:
Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"
Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage.
6- More on Aisha's Marriage and its acceptance by the Arab culture back then:
The following article was sent to me by brother Faris Osman Abdat; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
Asalamu Alaikum brother Osama
Below are the points that perhaps could be of some use in the defense of the marriage of Lady Aisha to our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him). You would know if they are good enough to be utilize, insyallah :
"Firstly - if indeed the marriage of Lady Aisha was something which was despicable even at that time and in that culture, this fact would never have been recorded for posterity and all efforts to conceal or cloud it would have been undertaken. But the fact that this hadith had reached us after it was recorded centuries ago and to all the Muslim generations in between proved that the marriage was culturally and morally acceptable and the fact is also that the Muslim community at that time remained unshakened in its faith in his Prophethood and the message which he had brought bear testimony to this assertion. Secondly - we have to look at the life of Lady Aisha afterwards. She was without doubt one of the foremost scholars of Islam. It is even said that she had attained in her lifetime the position of Mufti - someone capable of giving religious rulings - a position very few Muslims will ever occupy. She was seeked by many, both men and women, who hungered for knowledge and they came to her from all directions, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria. History does not know of any woman who was approached by so many for such a noble purpose. If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam. And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam. No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought."

7- But still, she is considered a child in our standards today!
Well, a lot of the things we do today are not right in the eyes of many. Our "standards" today mean nothing to what took place 1400 years ago. Today, anyone under 18 years old is considered a "child", a baby still under his mommy's and daddy's care. Back then on the other hand, people who reached the age of 18 were considered wise and very mature.
Let me share this Islamic story with you:
There is a famous Islamic figure called "Osama bin Zayd (or Zaid)". I was told that this man was once a leader or one of the leaders of the Muslims who met the Roman Christians. He defeated them. He was only 16 to 18 years old.
So the point is, Aisha, peace be upon her, might look as child to you, but back then she certainly was considered as "woman" who was qualified for marriage.
The following articles contain more proofs:
From http://ismaili.net/histoire/history03/history333.html: (bold, color and underline emphasis below are mine)
Osama bin Zaid
At about the middle of the month of Safar, in the 11th A.H., on Monday, Muhammad ordered his followers to make speedy preparations for an expedition against the people of Mauta in the Byzantine territory, and the sources go to say, to avenge the massacre of the soldiers, who had fallen in recent skirmishes. The next day, on Tuesday he appointed Osama to the command of the army. Osama was the son of Zaid bin Harith, who had been slain at Mauta, and was a youth of 17 or 18 years. On Wednesday, a violent inroad of headache and fever seized Muhammad, but the next morning of Thursday, he found himself sufficiently recovered to prepare a flag-staff, with his own hands, which he made over to Osama. The camp was then erected at Jorf, three miles from Medina on the route to Syria. He ordered all his followers at Medina to join it at once, not excepting even the renowned companions to join it at once. Only Ali, who was required to remain with him at Medina, was exempted. The malady, although gaining ground, did not confine Muhammad entirely to his house. He used to move into the mosque, through the door of his apartment, to lead the prayers. After about a week of his summoning the men to the Syrian expedition under Osama, he perceived that the progress to join the camp at Jorf was very slow and poor, therefore, he once again addressed the people to join the Syrian expedition. The sickness of Muhammad was increasing every day, and the Syrian expedition, weighed upon his mind, and continued saying to those around him, "Send off quickly the army of Osama." According to the Shiites, Muhammad was really reprimanding his companions for not joining the expeditionary force. Knowing that Muhammad's end was near, the companions were reluctant to leave Medina at such a critical time and fearful that, if they absented themselves, Ali might step uncontested. In sum, the army of Osama could not depart from Medina during the time of Muhammad.
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From http://www.dawn.com/2003/08/22/fea.htm: (bold, color and underline emphasis below are mine)
"...Assuming the responsibilities of the caliphate he was confronted with the problems that some of the tribes who had already embraced Islam broke off, many tribes declined to pay Zakat and false prophets emerged to take advantage of the situation. Hazrat Ayesha (RA) at this is reported to have uttered that the problems faced by my father if had befallen on Jibal-ur- Rasiat it would have shattered. However, credit goes to him who with courage and resolution overcame them.His first priority was to dispatch the expedition to Syria under the command of Osama bin Zaid originally ordered by the Holy Prophet but delayed due to his (SAW) death. It was a critical juncture for him. In the wake of alarming condition he was advised not to send, but he did not yield and without hesitation dispatched it in order to execute the wishes of the Holy Prophet. He was so much concerned that he himself came out of Madina to see the expedition off which soon returned graced by victory. It boosted the morale of the Muslims very much...."
8- Was Muhammad a pedophile?
The following is an email sent to me by brother Amir Abdul Rahim; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
From: amir_abdul_rahim@yahoo.co.uk To: truthspeaks@answering-christianity.com Subject: Was Muhammad a child molester? Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:37:17 +0000 (GMT)
Assalamu Alaikum Wr Wb
The discussion of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha has recently come up on a muslim message board, with the usual cries of 'Muhammad was a pedophile' coming from the usual anti-Islam lobby.
In order to answer this filthy slander, I went to a police website detailing the traits of a pedophile, and this is what I came up with. It seems that, even by today's standards, Muhammad could not be considered a pedophile.
Please feel free to use or edit this text in any way you like.
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Okay, lets have a look at the psyche of a typical pedophile, and see how much of it fits Muhammad shall we? Quoted text is taken from Understanding the Pedophile Psyche, courtesy of the Police Federation of England & Wales:
http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm
"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."
As well as being married to Aisha, he was also married to many other women during his life. He wasn't certainly suffering from low self-esteem. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."
As has been mentioned before, Muhammad waited for at least two years before consummating the marriage. Therefore, this point of 'lack of self control' does not apply to Muhammad. Also, fasting during Ramadan requires abstention from sexual relations. Why would Muhammad practise this if he had no self-control?
"Denial. Many pedophiles deny there is anything wrong with having sexual relations with children and many will in due course paradoxically deny having carried out such practices should they be confronted. It is vital to change the attitudes of such individuals much as in the lack of empathy with their victim."
Muhammad never once denied having sex with his wife. Also note the use of the term 'victim'. Aisha could not be described as a victim. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
"History of previous pedophile activity. Many pedophiles have carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children. It is vital here to promote alternative habits i.e. in attitudes and demeanor of sexual behaviour with adults."
Muhammad has no history of pedophile activity whatsoever. Also, as I pointed out, all of Muhammad's other wives were adult, and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children. Therefore, this doesn't apply to Muhammad.
"Poor family relationships - many pedophiles have come from families that are in chaos or are lacking in stability. This has led them to view sexual behaviour with children rather than adults as acceptable especially if this has been practised upon them by a member of the family in the past. Although it is difficult to reverse what has happened in the past through discussion or attitude changes it is vital that insight must be gained by the individual into how his/her pedophile activity originated and was developed through the family dynamics."
Although he was orphaned at a young age, Muhammad was always very close to all his family members, and advocated that whosoever cuts the bond of kith and kin, he/she would be denied paradise. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.
"Low IQ - there are pedophiles who have low intelligence but by no means all are in this category. Where this is the case appropriate therapeutic efforts must be made to develop understanding of what they are doing wrong and what they must do to change."
Despite being illiterate, Muhammad had a reputation for being a very bright young boy, an excellent trader, and an extremely wise man. Therefore, this point does not apply to Muhammad.
"Loneliness, depression and relationship needs - this particular trait is associated with low self-esteem and lack of empathy with the victim. Many pedophiles are lonely individuals who live on their own and have found it difficult to establish relationships with adults, especially for sexual purposes. Some suffer from psychological problems and even psychotic illnesses. Here intensive treatment and monitoring is in order."
Muhammad wasn't suffering from depression when he married Aisha. Also, low self-esteem, loneliness, and difficulty to establish relations could not be attributed to Muhammad.
"Having been themselves sexually abused - many pedophiles have themselves been sexually abused in the past by adults. They merely imitate what they experienced and continue their activity considering it as appropriate since it was done to them."
This certainly isn't true.
I have demonstrated that, despite the fact Muhammad married a nine-year old girl, he could NOT be considered a pedophile.
9- The life span 1400 years ago was short:
The following is an email that was sent to me by sister Janet, who recently embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her.
From: JnMil3@aol.com To: truthspeaks@answering-christianity.com Subject: Article on marriage of Aysha (saws) to prophet Muhammad (saws)Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:59:10 EST
Assalamu alaikum brother Osama,
Thank you for your informative article on the marriage of Aysha, peace be upon her, to prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. I don't think I'm yet finished with this article, as I clicked on a topic.
Did you also research the average life span 1400 years ago in the Middle East? The gypsy, or romany people, of Indian descent who now for the most part occupy eastern Europe, arrange their children in marriage. They arrange the children @ the age of 9 to be engaged for 3 or 4 years before they are married. The only ground for divorce in their culture is failure to conceive a child within a year of marriage (what an irony-- largely illiterate people recognize the American Medical Association's definition of infertility and divorce, while 'educated' people in the west pursue various infertility 'treatments' for years w/o end). Also, compared to Europeans, the average life span of the Romany is around 45, compared with those life spans in the 60's and 70's, so when their children are married, their lives are about 1/3 over.
Thanks again for this article, which I found looking up Aysha on a searchnet. I am a new Muslimah in the U.S., by the way.
Allah hafiz,Sister Janet
An addition by me, Osama Abdallah:
Life 1400 years ago was very rough in the too hot desert. From my personal knowledge, the average life span back then was 50 years. People used to die from all kinds of diseases. Both parents of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him for instance, died natural deaths before he even knew them. His father, Abdallah bin Hashem, died while Amina bint Wahb (Amy in English as Mary for Mariam), Muhammad's mother was still pregnant with Muhammad. After she gave birth, she died when he was 2 years old (I believe). Muhammad was the only child of his parents.
Muhammad was raised by his mother's female servant, Saadiyyah, and by his uncle (father's brother) Abu Talib, who later stood up for him and protected him when Muhammad declared to be Allah Almighty's Messenger at the age of 40.
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perfektm Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:52:33 PM
Darth Vaderthis is land of vedants... not land of pedo-philes... if you accept that this is a problem... then why dont you come back to vedic religions, they will guide you out....
Anakin Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:03:57 PM
Why use pervert thoughts? Similar thoughts too could be appplied to Krishna's Ras Leela. When you say its divine and has to be understood in that context then the Prophet's relationship too is divine and should be viewed in that context and not with your pervert minds! Watch Deepa Mehta's Water and you will get a better idea of your hindu religion's subjugation of women and killing of female foetuses!
Infidel Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:13:09 PM
Dear Darth,You really worked hard to copy-paste from a crap "AUTHENTIC ISLAMIC SITE".LOLI have suggested many times to people like you to first read, understand, analyze and then only copy-paste, otherwise you make fool out of yourself by showing your islamic wisdom.Anyway, what you copy-pasted above is surely crap and my reply follows.
Anakin Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:24:18 PM
yes, infidel everyone and everybody is crap except you.Your the world's most intellectual person who understands everything all that is expilcit and all that is hidden! LoL! What a genius! LoL
Infidel Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:31:36 PM
thanks anakin, for the compliment.You praised me without reading my reply, which makes you a genius, not me
Vijay Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:39:36 PM
so u want to say marrying a girl early was an accepted norm. but then Mo being a Prophet shud hv known better than taking a bride to bed 45 yrs his junior.
Vijay Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:41:23 PM
u guys never get tired of praising Mo for his "reformist" sermons, but looks like in this case, he had to give in to his pervertness.
perfektm Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:20:39 PM
Anakin..Check krishna and mohammed ... documented especially for you....
Infidel Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:18:59 PM
Ohh its you rumple...Good to see you back on here.Hopefully you would have find the answers to my questions asked in the debate.Please enlighten us on those issues raised in the debate and still are unanswered. I would be highly obliged.Has it become a habit of muslims to either abuse like muneer did or evade the questions which all of you did in the debate, when you people don't have answers or you don't want to answer to save your false faith?I request you to first answe the issues raised in the debate, thanks in advance.
The Truth Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:03:42 PM
The Glorious Qur’an says:"As to those who reject Faith it is the same to them Whether thou warn them or do not warn them;They will not believe. "Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veilGreat is the penalty they incur."[Al-Qur’an 2:6-7]These verses do not refer to common Kuffar who reject faith. The Arabic words used are al-lazina kafaroo, those who are bent on rejecting the truth. It will not make any difference to such people whether you warn them or not, they will not believe. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil. It is not because Allah has set a seal on their hearts that these kuffar do not understand and believe, but it is the vice-versa. It is because these kuffar are bent on rejecting the truth and whether you warn them or not they will not believe, that Allah has set a seal on their hearts. Therefore Allah is not to blame, but these kuffaar who are bent on rejecting the faith are responsible.
The Truth Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:12:16 PM
dumbo Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:51:16 PM There are still millions of child marriages still being conducted in India and child widows beings locked up for life in Hinduism! It is a fact, check it out. news Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:09:31 PM FIGHTING FEMALE FOETICIDEDon't kill the girl child, Govt now plans to raise her ibnlive.comAlarmed at the increasing rate of female foeticides across the country, the Centre is planning to launch a cradle scheme. Under the proposed scheme, the Government plans to open a centre in each district where parents can leave their girl children if they do not want to bring them up themselves. "We will bring up the children. But don't kill them," Renuka Chowdhury said. [1450 hrs IST]
sage Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:15:31 PM
how come allah teaches you about female foeticide in hindusim, child marriages,child widows and not about killing innocent people in india. how come allah does not teach you not to be a anti national staying in india, how come allah does not teach you to be hygenic, be educated and not to use what ever little education you muslims have in making bombs, does allah not teach you how to appreciate democracy, not to misuse it.does allah teach you to think according to others convinenece and msitakes.how come allah has made you deaf, dumb and blind. pity you.
patriotic muslim Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:34:47 PM
One of the hadith of the Prophet says that one should be loyal to their country and motherland and be patriotic..only if the country is against your practising the religion then the muslims should object...those who dont follow are not the true followers of the prophet
patriotic muslim Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:43:52 PM
Quran has hygiene in many places especially the abulation or wudu daily before prayers, keeping the pvt. parts clean after the call of nature as urine and sperm are considered impure and one cannot pray with uncleanliness...some north indian states has very poor muslims who cannot even have a full meal daily so the cleanliness is lacking there...once their standard of living improves there will be a vast change and like you said education is a must. Another hadith says to go to even far places for education. Islam gives importance to education. Improve the standard of muslims and uplift them and see the change instead of eyeing them suspiciously and accusing and derogating them at every step of life..Just try to give love and see how much you will get in return. Hate begets hate and nothing else.
sage Monday, February 19, 2007 3:48:36 AM
patriotic and muslim do not go anywhere, be in india, uk or even iraq, and lebonan, you are antinationals and believe in killing innocent and your own countrymen. as you say prophet says to be loyal, and you do the opposite, you plant bombs and kill innocent people in india. all terrorists are not muslims but all muslims are terrorist that are caught in india. do you not follow your prophet if he says to be loyal, then you are not even loyal to the so called prophet for whom you are killing indians. even muslims have confessed to me that muslims are very unhygenic in bombay and he says they are brought up like that, why dont you listen to allah if he says to be hygenic, muslim one has to be hygenic in mind too, that muslims are not. suspicion is there becoz you think and do things bad, dont know if you are carrying a bomb, thats why there is a suspicion, rightly so. thats why you deserve to be derogated in every step in life as you are all anti nationals. you do not deserve love as you are killing inocent people in india. we are paying a price for doing nothing. remember if we just start to show our hatred. you will be wiped out.we hate you.
Infidel Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:39:10 PM
anakin, now read my reply and then show your intelligance there.
Infidel Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:51:54 PM
So rumple, you got answers for your copy-paste stuff in my new blogs "MO:Part2" and "Part2 contd".Don't forget you have to answer my questions asked to you during debate. Good luck for that. Try hard to seek the truth.