Reply to TT: Miracles in Quran??

Wednesday, February 28, 2007
Reply to TT: Miracles in Quran??
Dear Readers,
This article is in reply to our learned muslim “THE TRUTH” who copy-pasted an article on Miracles in quran from a crap Islamic site.
I don’t want to waste my time and your time again, so I will take few “miracles” from the article and prove them false.
My answers are in blue and text in black is from The Truth’s article.
This is a higher level of understanding...not for hate mongers and hate filled hearts and souls.
My Reply:
Yes TT, It’s a high level of understanding which is not for brain-dead muslims like you. For you people, a WHITE thing is BLACK, since quran told so. Hence don’t even go there. First learn what is logical / rational thinking and then read your quran one more time. All you muslims can do is search for a verse in quran which can be co-related to modern science, in however absurd way. I will prove that in this article.
Though you muslims always accuse us of using verses in “bits and pieces” and “out of context”, in this article, author refrained himself from using full verses and IN CONTEXT. He used the only relevant portion (as per his understanding) for this purpose, else readers will understand the actual meaning of the verse. But only gullible people like you will fall for such lies, not a person who can think and analyze rationally/ logically. I will be quoting full verses (Yusuf Ali translations) for ready reference to my readers and for your eye opening.
1) THE USE OF ELECTRICITY
And We made a fount of molten copper flow out for him. (Qur'an, 34:12)
One of Allah's great blessings to Prophet Sulayman (as) was "a fount of molten copper." This can be understood in several senses. By the use of melted copper, it MAY BE referring to the existence, at his time, of an advanced technology that employed electricity. We know that copper is one of the best metals for conducting electricity and heat, and thus constitutes the basis of the electrical industry, which uses much of the copper produced in the world. The expression "flow out" MAY indicate that electricity can be used in many fields. (Allah knows best.)
My Reply:
Let us see the quoted verse:034.012 YUSUFALI: And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient): Its early morning (stride) was a month's (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month's (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
Do you understand what is written in this verse? No you never read it, right.
In simple language, this verse is telling that “WE(??) made a font of molten BRASS to flow for him”. Where is electricity, my dear believer TT? This verse is claiming how allah helped suleman, by making winds obedient, by flowing font of molten brass/copper etc.
Just a correlation that since copper wires are used in most of the electric cables, search for a verse in quran having “copper” word in it and start shouting, “quran said this 1400 years ago”. Only fools like you will believe this. See the original author of this crap article also not able to correlate properly and hence used words like MAY BE referring, MAY indicate etc.
2) PLANE TECHNOLOGY
And to Sulayman We gave the fiercely blowing wind, speeding at his command toward the land that We had blessed. And We had full knowledge of everything. (Qur'an, 21:81)
As the above verse relates, Allah placed the wind under Prophet Sulayman's (as) command and allowed him to use it as a vehicle. There is a strong possibility of an indication here that, as in Prophet Sulayman's (as) time, wind energy will also be used in the technology of the future.
And We gave Sulayman power over the wind-a month's journey in the morning and a month in the afternoon... (Qur'an, 34:12)
The expression "a month's journey in the morning and a month in the afternoon" may be drawing attention to the fact that Prophet Sulayman (as) moved rapidly between different regions perhaps by using a technology similar to an airplane, or developed wind-powered vehicles that could cover long distances quickly. (Allah knows best.) There is thus a strong possibility that these verses point to modern airplane technology.
My Reply:

021.081 YUSUFALI: (It was Our power that made) the violent (unruly) wind flow (tamely) for Solomon, to his order, to the land which We had blessed: for We do know all things.
Is “flowing of wind”, PLANE TECHNOLOGY? I didn’t know that. I am heartily thankful for this enlightenment. LOL
Where did the verse say that “allowed him to use it as a vehicle?” The verse is saying that WE (??) made the UNRULY wind to flow GENTLY, to his order, TO THE LAND. Where is aero plane technology in it?
The author of this crap article claims (though not sure) that “may be drawing attention to the fact that Prophet Sulayman (as) moved rapidly between different regions perhaps by using a technology similar to an airplane, or developed wind-powered vehicles”
O Really!!! The author of quran didn’t say that. Then who is saying this, the author of this article?
The verse is saying that the wind was made mild, that’s it. Again, this is the proof of correlating modern science with quranic verses.
3) MODERN MEANS OF TRANSPORT
And horses, mules, and donkeys both to ride and for adornment. And He creates other things you do not know. (Qur'an, 16:8)
The above verse indicates that in addition to the animals mentioned here, people will have various unknown (to them) means of transport. The following verse points to the fact that there will be such mass modes of transport as ships:
A Sign for them is that We carried their families in the laden ship. And We have created for them the like of it, in which they sail. (Qur'an, 36:41-42)
My Reply:
016.008 YUSUFALI: And (He has created) horses, mules, and donkeys, for you to ride and use for show; and He has created (other) things of which ye have no knowledge.
036.041-42 YUSUFALI: And a Sign for them is that We bore their race (through the Flood) in the loaded Ark; And We have created for them similar (vessels) on which they ride.
I hope, you understand simple English. This surah (An-Nahl, The Bee) is describing what allah has done for mankind. First of all, literal meaning of the verse doesn’t say what author implied to mean. The verse says, “He (who is saying HE, if allah then it should be I) created animals for ride and to show. And created many things which you don’t know.”
Please note that in this surah allah is talking about cattle, Heaven and earth, man from drop of fluid, rain from sky etc, so show his power, he is telling that “HE created many things which you don’t know”. Surely, MO didn’t know many things and hence he used this vague term. Even if I have to consider that it is about transportation, it has a fallacy.
Is quran for all the times or for 7th century? If for 7th century, then quran is false as it claims that it for all people, all places and all times. If later is true, then today we know our modes of transportation and hence this verse is wrong (it says you don’t know, but we know them).
Regarding verses 36:41-42, the author is trying to put words in allah’s mouth (which he did throughout this article). The verse is NOT pointing towards “modern ships” but pointing towards “Noah’s Ark” (See yusuf ali’s translation). It is author’s wishful thinking that allah referred modern giant ships.

4) THE VOYAGE TO THE MOON
And [I swear by] the moon when it is full, you will mount up stage by stage! What is the matter with them, that they have no faith? (Qur'an, 84:18-20)
After referring to the Moon, the above verses then say that people will mount up stage by stage. The term tarkabunna comes from the verb rakiba, (to mount, walk on a path, follow, embark upon, set about, participate, or rule). In the light of these meanings, it is very likely that the expression "you will mount up stage by stage" refers to a vehicle to be boarded.
Indeed, the astronauts' spacecraft pass through each layer of the atmosphere one by one, and then begin to pass through the Moon's gravitational field. Thus, the Moon is reached by moving through individual layers. In addition, the swearing by the Moon in Surat al-Inshiqaq 18 further strengthens this emphasis, meaning that the verse may well be a sign that humanity will travel to the Moon. (Allah knows best.)
084.017 -24:YUSUFALI: The Night and its Homing; And the Moon in her fullness: Ye shall surely travel from stage to stage. What then is the matter with them, that they believe not? And when the Qur'an is read to them, they fall not prostrate, But on the contrary the Unbelievers reject (it). But Allah has full knowledge of what they secrete (in their breasts): So announce to them a Penalty Grievous,
Which surah these verses are from? My dear blind believer, open your copy of quran and find out the surah.
It is surah AL-INSHIQAQ (THE SUNDERING, SPLITTING OPEN) whose theme is the Resurrection and Hereafter. So who is quoting verses “OUT OF CONTEXT” here? Read all the 25 verses of this surah and show me where it is written that man will voyage moon. Use your mind at least once in your life time. Don’t merely copy paste crap from such misleading Islamic sites.
This surah is warning and fearing about hereafter. Read one more time the verses 84:17-24 as I quoted above. It says when the last day will come, the moon will be full, men will pass through stages and nonbelievers will reject. Where does it say “refers to a vehicle to be boarded”? Again author saw moon and stages and unsuccessfully correlated with “voyager to Moon”.
I am sure that these few points are enough to show the credibility of the article and the lies told on such crap sites. Only muslims like you will believe such garbage. The author knows that he is lying and hence uses (allah knows the best) after each lie.
Now it’s my turn to say “Kindly read and understand before copy-pasting such crap articles. Hope my replies will open a slit in your closed mind for light of truth (not Islamic crap)”
12:06:08 AM
Posted By Infidel M Comments (3) Musings
Comments
Infidel Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:05:46 AM
TT,For your ease I am asking those questions one more time here.Did you find two easts and two wests?Do you agree that what umar suggested to MO (I quoted 1 hadith regarding 3 things and you helped me out and quoted 15 things)and he revealed them in quran, implying quran is MO's words, not god's?And don't forget, you have to still answer "why the author of quran addressing god as HE & ALLAH?"
Infidel Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:15:52 AM
TT, Now read and understnad first. Then write such foolish comments you wrote in your article. Don't show your islamic wisdom again and agian.BEfore copy-pasting crap, try to find out the credibility of it by yourself, otherwise you will make fool out of yourself as you did here. Also, don't forget to answer my questions in your article's comment section.
Infidel Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:56:23 AM
Interested readers can visit following "Authentic ISlamic Site" for further clarifications on lies in TT's copy-paste blog.The link to the site is www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/