Monday, March 12, 2007
DOCTOR ZAKIR NAIK REALLY FOOLS THE AUDIENCE????(PART 1)
AFTER MY BLOG ON QURAAN AND SCIENCE WAS PUBLISHED,A HINDU FANATIC(WHO CALLS HIMSELF INFIDEL ),CHALLENGED ME THAT HE WILL REFUTE MY CHALLENGES.THOUGH I HAD PUBLISHED A BLOG EARLIER (WHY DID THESE SCIENTISTS EMBRACED ISLAM) TO SHUT THE MOUTH OF THE CRITICS ESPECIALLY HIS MOUTH,BUT THERE ALSO HE CAME WITH HIS FALSE ACCUSATIONS THAT NONE OF THOSE SCIENTISTS EMBRACED ISLAM EXCEPT DOCTOR TEJASEN (NEIL ARMSTRONG,DOCTOR MAURUCE BUCAILE ,DOCTOR KEITH MOORE ETC DID NOT EMBRACED ISLAM).HIS COMMENTS WERE:-
Ajmal, YOu are a BIG LIAR like your pedo MO.Your copy-paste article doesn't show any conversion (except Tejasen) to Islam from these people. To my knowledge, none of them converted to islam (except Tejasen).Show us any proof if you can, that these people converted to islam else accept that you are a LIAR who wants to mislead people.
THE READERS OF THIS BLOG HAVE INTERNET ACTIVATED.I REQUEST THEM ALL TO MAKE GOOGLE SEARCH LIKE(WHY DID NEIL ARMSTRONG EMBRACED ISLAM?).DO A SEPERATE SEARCH FOR EACH AND EVERY SCIENTIST SO THAT YOU CAN GET A NICE DETAIL ABOUT EACH SCIENTIST SEPERATELY.
HIS OTHER CALIM WAS THAT HE WILL REFUTE MY EACH AND EVERY SCIENTIFIC CLAIM OF SCIENCE.I KNOW THAT HE WILL DO A COPY PASTE FROM ALI SINNA'S OR SAM SHAMOUN OR DOCTOR WILLIAM CHAMBELL'S SITE.(THE LATEST HAD A DEBATE WITH DOCTOR ZAKIR NAIK IN WHICH HIS EACH AND EVERY FALSE ACCUSATIONS WERE REFUTED AND HE ACCEPTED IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS THAT HIS BIBLE IS CORRUPTED BOOK) (SHAMOUN TOO HAD A DEBATE WITH DOCTOR ZAKIR NAIK OVER THE TOPIC THAT QUREAAN STATES THAT BIBLE IS WORD OF GOD,AND AFTER TWO HOURS OF DEBATE HE ACCEPTED THAT BIBLE HAS NOW BEEN CORRUPTED).(AND ALI SINNA WHO EVEN FEARS TO HAVE A OPEN PUBLIC DEBATE WITH DOCTOR ZAKIR NAIK AND WANTS TO HAVE A WRITTEN DEBATE WITH DOCTOR NAIK OF FEAR.HE EVEN DID NOT NEEDED DOCTOR ZAKIR.HE WAS DEFEATED BY A SMALL ISLAMIC SITE)
http://www.examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm www.examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm
I KNEW THAT THE FANATIC IS GOING TO DO A COPY PASTE FROM THEIR SITE ONLY,AS HE DOESNOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF ARABIC ,AND EVEN DONT KNOW THE MEANING OF DHAHAHA WHICH IS TAUGHT TO A PERSON WHO STARTS LEARNING ARABIC (AS WE LEARN A FOR APPLE ,B FOR BALL IN ENGLISH).SO I THINK BY REFUTING ALI SINNA'S AND SHAMOUN'S SITE INSHA ALLAH I WILL BE ABLE TO REFUTE ALL THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ISLAM.
On the very front page of Ali Sina’s site. Ali Sina has written a response to Dr.Zakir Naik's presentation in his debate with Dr.William Campbell. He says that Dr.Zakir Naik is a magician and he fools his audience with words. He calls him a Showman. You can find his response here
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellintro.htm#content
The Reason arises why does he call him a Showman and a magician? The reason is obvious. Dr.Zakir Naik Alhumdulillah with the grace of Allah (SWT) winning over people's hearts.. He has delivered more than a thousand public talks worldwide. He has Alhumdulillah started his new 24 hour Satellite channel "Peace TV". This Channel Promotes the True Picture of Islam. Ali Sina does not like that.
Here I will be exposing Ali Sina. He not only is unscholarly in his approach but he even lacks ethical values. Any unbiased person who sees this picture of Dr.Zakir Naik modified by Ali Sina and his clowns will realize that Ali Sina is a loony.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellintro.htm
Before I respond to the points raised by him. I would like to make few points clear.
1. If Ali Sina Writes a response to Dr.Zakir Naik that doesn't mean that Dr.Naik is fooling his audience. If I use this logic than it also means that Dr.William Campbell was also fooling his audience when he said falsehood about Islam. It also means that Ali Sina is also fooling his readers because many Muslims including Brother Umar on this site has responded to false charges of Ali Sina.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/true_face_of_ali_sina_2.htm
2. It is Dr.William Campbell who actually initiated the debate. Dr.Zakir Naik doesn't go around asking people to have a public debate with him. Dr.Campbell wrote a book against the Quran. Dr.Naik refuted all the points of Dr.Campbell and pointed out scientific errors and contradictions in the bible. Ali Sina accuses Dr.Zakir of attacking the bible but doesn't say anything about Dr.Campbell who actually initiated the debate.
3. The Translations are human handi-work and are bound to contain errors. No Translation per se is error free. The Translator may not have in-depth knowledge of Science therefore it is highly possible that he makes an error in translating the scientific statements mentioned in the Quran.
Dr.Maurice Bucaille writes:
"Why do errors in translation exist? They may be explained by the fact that modern translators often take up, rather uncritically , the interpretations given by older commentators. In their day, the latter had an excuse for having given an inappropriate definition to an Arabic word containing several possible meanings; they could not possibly have understood the real sense the word or phrase which has only become clear in the present day thanks to scientific knowledge. In Other words, the problem is raised of the necessary revision of translations and commentaries. It was possible to do this at a certain period in the past, but nowadays we have knowledge that enables us to render their true sense "
(The Bible, The Quran, And The Science pg 118-119)
I'll mainly be touching the points which he raised on the Quran. I wont be dealing with each and every small point which is irrelevant. It was actually Dr.William Campbell who was supposed to reply to these points. Therefore, He should even thank me for even taking out my time.
Big Bang in the Quran?
Ali Sina Writes:
(Dr. Naik) As far as Qur’an and modern Science is concerned, in the field of ‘Astronomy’, the Scientists, the Astronomers, a few decades earlier, they described, how the universe came into existence - They call it the ‘Big Bang’. And they said… ‘Initially there was one primary nebula, which later on it separated with a Big Bang, which gave rise to Galaxies, Stars, Sun and the Earth, we live in.’ This information is given in a nutshell in the Glorious Qur’an, in Surah Ambiya, Ch. 21, Verse No. 30, which says…. (Arabic).... Do not the unbelievers see…? …. (Arabic)…. ‘That the heavens and the earth were joined together, and we clove them asunder?’ Imagine this information which we came to know recently, the Qur’an mentions 14 hundred years ago.
(Ali Sina) In his fervor to make the Quran look scientific Dr. Naik overlooks the fact that the theory of Big Bang precludes the concept of creation. If Big Bang is true then the story of the creation and Adam and Eve must be false and vice versa. This is elemental.
21:30, ‘The heavens and the earth were joined together, and we clove them asunder’
This is not an allusion to the Big Bang. It is the rehashing of the Genesis:
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day. Gen 1: 6-9
So if this is a miracle, the credit should go to the Bible and not to the Quran. This fable, like many others, is borrowed from the Bible.
My Response:
Ali Sina here claims that the Quran is copied from the Bible. The same nonsense, which Christians keep repeating. Since he has accused Dr.Zakir Naik. I can do no better than let Dr.Zakir Naik reply to it.
http://www.irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech/t18/t18a/pg1.htm.
Ali Sina Writes:
21:30 presents also another problem. It contradicts with the verse 41.11
"Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
So which story is the right tale of the creation? Were the heaven and the earth joined together and Allah clove them asunder or were they apart and Allah told them to come together?
My Response.
In the verse 41.11 Allah (SWT) is not talking about the physical calling of heavens and earth together. He is talking about coming into existence. Quran is in complete compability with modern science. These verses have other scientific points in it as well. But since I am only responding to his points I wont go into details right now.
Ali Sina Writes:
Of course both are false. The earth is inside the sky and part of it. They can neither come together nor separate. Here we have two version that contradict each other and both are scientifically wrong.
My Response:
As I explained above none of the two is wrong. Dr.Zakir Naik explains
“The creation of the universe is explained by astrophysicists in a widely accepted phenomenon, popularly known as the 'Big Bang'. It is supported by observational and experimental data gathered by astronomers and astrophysicists for decades. According to the 'Big Bang', the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a 'Big Bang' (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of the universe was unique and the probability of it occurring by 'chance' is zero."
Does the Quran say the Sun and the Moon Revolve Around Their Own Axis?
Ali Sina Writes:
(Dr. Naik) When I was in school, I had learned that the Sun in respect to the Earth - it was stationary - the Earth and the Moon, they rotated about in axis, but the sun was stationary. But when I read a Verse of the Qur’an saying, in Surah Al–Ambiya, Ch. . 21 Verse No. 33, it says…. (Arabic). … ‘It is Allah who has created the night and the day.’…. (Arabic)…. The sun and the moon…. (Arabic)…. Each one traveling in an orbit with its own motion. Now Alhamdulillah, modern science has confirmed the Qur’anic statement. The Arabic word used in the Qur’an is ‘Yasbahoon’, which describes the motion of a moving body. When it refers to a celestial body, it means it is rotating about its own axis. So Qur’an says the sun and the Moon, they revolve as well as rotate about their own axis. Today we have come to know that the Sun takes approximately 25 days to complete one rotation.
(Ali Sina) Dr. Naikr claims that the verse 21:33 which says the sun and the moon follow their orbits means they rotate around their axis because the word íóÓúÈóÍõæäó ysbahun means rotating around its own axis. This is simply not true. Dr. Naik is fabricating evidence and twisting the meaning of the words. The word here implies that the Sun and the Moon rotate in circle, i.e. around the Earth and not around their own axis. This is what Muhammad observed and this is what he said. He stated what was obvious to him and to everyone else. See how this word is translated.
Pickthall
They float, each in an orbit.
Yusuf Ali
swim along, each in its rounded course.
Hilali-Khan
each in an orbit floating.
Shakir
all (orbs) travel along swiftly in their celestial spheres.
Sher Ali
each gliding along smoothly in its orbit.
Khalifa
each floating in its own orbit.
Arberry
each swimming in a sky.
Palmer
each floating in a sky.
Rodwell
each moving swiftly in its sphere.
Sale
[the celestial bodies] move swiftly, [each] in [its respective] orb.
As one can see, Dr. Naik is in error. By bundling the Moon and the Sun together, it is clear that Muhammad thought they are alike with one being brighter than the other.
Attempts such as this, to twist the apparent meaning of the words reveal the desperation of Muslims to find miracles and science in the absurdities of the Quran and hide its errors. Why none of these so called miracles attributed to Muhammad are in clear language? Why Allah did not say the Earth is round and it is rotating around the Sun and the Moon is rotating around the Earth? Simple and clear! In none of the so called Quranic miracles you find clarity.
Then again, if the Quran is full of science why the Islamic countries are most wretched? Muslim's response to this is that Muslims do not practice Islam, that is why. But how is it that the Kafir countries that do not practice Islam at all are better than Muslim countries that practice it a little? Why virtually all the kafir countries are more advanced than virtually all the Islamic countries? The more Islamic a country gets the more backward, barbaric and poor it becomes. Is there in this a lesson for us all?
My Response:
As I explained in the beginning that translations are human handy-work and they are done by people who may not be having great knowledge of science. And even you if you read the last translation by Sale it says the same thing what Dr.Zakir Naik explained. It reads " [the celestial bodies] move swiftly, [each] in [its respective] orb.
" see the different meanings of the word "orb"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/orb
Muslims today have gotten backward because we have deviated away from the teachings of Islam. When we Muslims were close to the Quran we were on the top of the world. Did Ali Sina forget the discoveries done by Muslim scientists??? The discoveries done by Western Scientists are only in last few centuries. Western scientists rehashed many of the discoveries of Muslim Scientists. Did he forget the Muslims scientists who did brilliant discoveries about 800-1000 years ago?? Did he forget great scientists like Jabbir Ibn Hayyan, Ali Ibn Sina (Avicenna), Muhammad Zakaria Razi etc. For more detail, refer to this.
http://www.ummah.net/history/scholars/index.html
Ali Sina Writes:
A quick calculation reveals that the likelihood that a Jew wins the Noble Prize is 2088 times higher than a Muslim winning it. If all the science is in the Quran why all the Muslims are so miserable?
My Response:
As I explained above. It is because we have deviated away from the word of Allah (SWT). Ali Sina also considers Bible unscientific. But we have many Christian scientists. Therefore, Religion has nothing to do with discoveries of science. The followers of many other religions like Hinduism, Buddhism etc. live in third world countries. They have not done many discoveries either. But Ali Sina doesn't highlight them. He is only concerned about targeting the Muslims.
Does the Quran say the Universe is Expanding?
Ali Sina Writes:
(Dr. Naik) It was Edvin Hubbel who discovered that the universe is expanding. The Qur’an says in Surah Dhariyat, Ch. 51, Verse No. 47, that…‘We have created the expanding universe’ - The vastness of space. The Arabic word ‘Mohsiana’ refers to ‘vastness’ – ‘the expanding universe.’
Regarding the topics on Astronomy, which Dr. William Campbell touched, I will deal in the rebuttal, InshaAllah.
(Ali Sina) Dr. Naik claims that the verse 51:47 talks about the expanding universe. This is not so. Muhammad is simply saying that the universe is vast and not that it is expanding. This verse reads:
Arabic…
See how this is translated:YUSUFALI: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.PICKTHAL: We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).SHAKIR: And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.
The fact that the universe is vast is prosaic and obvious. There is no mention of expanding universe in this verse. Any illiterate man can look at the sky and see it is vast. To the ancient people even the Earth looked vast. To us it looks very small.
My Response:
Ali Sina previously quoted atleast 7-8 translations for Quran 21:33. Now he only quoted three. Why?? The reason is because if he had quoted more he would have been proved to be a liar. Let’s read other translations of the verse of the Quran 51:47
Dr. Munir Munshey : " With Our power and prowess, We brought into being the universe. And indeed, We expand it (steadily)!"
Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan: "With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, we are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof."
Arberry: " And heaven -- We built it with might, and We extend it wide."
Khalifa : "We constructed the sky with our hands, and we will continue to expand it."
And if you read the translation by Muhammad Asad, it uses the same words which Dr.Zakir Naik used "Expanding Universe". The verse reads
Muhammad Asad : "It is we who have built the universe with [our creative] power; and, verily, it is we who are steadily expanding it."
"we are expanding it" is the translation of the plural present participle musi'una and of the verb ausa'a meaning "to make wider, more spacious, to extend, to expand"
Water Cycle in the Quran?
Ali Sina Writes:
(Dr. Naik) In the field of ‘Water cycle’ that Dr. William Campbell pointed out, certain things. The Qur’an describes the water cycle in great detail. And Dr. William Campbell mentioned 4 stages. In his book he mentions 4 (a) and (b) - the last one he did not mention in the slide - I don’t know why? It says... ‘The Driplinition’…‘The Water table.’ He missed out here - Maybe because it was not mentioned in the Bible. He said there is not a single Verse in the Qur’an, which speaks about ‘evaporation.’ Qur’an says in Surah Al-Tariq, Ch. No. 86, Verse No. 11, that….(Arabic)…. ‘By the capacity of the heavens to return.’ And almost all the commentaries of the Qur’an - they said, that this Verse of Surah Tariq, Ch. No. 86, Verse No. 11, refers to the capacity of the heavens to return back rain - meaning ‘Evaporation.’
(Ali Sina) I don’t know which commentator said such a thing but if anyone has, he is mistaken. Let us read the first part of this Sura:
My Response :
He is insinuating that only he (Ali Sina) knows the Quran whereas any commentator who says so is mistaken.
Ali Sina continues :
Let us read the first part of this Sura:
086.001 By the Sky and the Night-Visitant (therein);-
086.002 And what will explain to thee what the Night-Visitant is?-
086.003 (It is) the Star of piercing brightness;-
086.004 There is no soul but has a protector over it.
086.005 Now let man but think from what he is created!
086.006 He is created from a drop emitted-
086.007 Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:
086.008 Surely (Allah) is able to bring him back (to life)!
086.009 The Day that (all) things secret will be tested,
086.010 (Man) will have no power, and no helper.
086.011 By the Firmament which returns (in its round),
The entire Sura is gibberish. It just makes so sense. You can hardly find any text as obtuse as this.
My Response :
Ali Sina considers the Surah to be gibberish. To infidels the whole Quran may sound gibberish. And Ali Sina is one of them. Therefore, it does not really matter to us if this sounds gibberish to him. I won’t be touching to all six of his so called "errors" in the Quran. I'll just deal with the first and the last one.
"1) It appears that Muhammad is saying that each person has a star that protects him. This is fairytale fit for children.
Where is the verse saying that star protects the man?? !! The first 3 verses of the Surah are speaking of something different whereas the verse 4 is speaking about something different. If Ali Sina is dumb and cannot even understand plain English that does not mean Quran is wrong. Lets now come to the main topic of it which Dr.Naik touched.
"By the Firmament which returns (in its round)" (Quran 86:11)"
Ali Sina then goes on to say there are six “errors” in this Surah. I’ll just be dealing with the last one here which is relevant to the topic.
Ali Sina Writes:
6) Then he swears “by the Firmament which returns (in its round)”. Firmament is the stars, the sun and the moon, not vapor and rain. Muhammad saw that every night the stars are coming back and every day the Sun is returning. These heavenly objects were known as the firmament. This verse has nothing to do with evaporation and rain. Please pay attention how often Dr. Naik twists the meanings of the words to make his point prevail. The word used is 'sama'. It means sky/heaven and it can also be interpreted as firmament but it can't be translated as rain.
My Response:
As Ali Sina here rightly says that "sama" means heaven/sky. I want to know where did Dr.Zakir naik translate it as "rain"? He never did so. Here are the words of Dr.Naik
"By the capacity of the heavens to return.’ And almost all the commentaries of the Qur’an - they said, that this Verse of Surah Tariq, Ch. No. 86, Verse No. 11, refers to the capacity of the heavens to return back rain - meaning ‘Evaporation.’ "
Can anyone here see Dr.Naik translating "sama" as "rain"??? This is another terrible lie by Ali Sina. See how he is trying to deceive his reader. Dr.Naik simply explained what it is referring to.
Ali Sina Writes:
(Dr. Naik) Dr. William Campbell who knows Arabic, may say…‘Why did not Allah Subhanawa Taala specifically mention….(Arabic) …. Meaning… ‘The capacity of the heavens to return back rain.’ Why did not Allah mention specifically? Now we have came to know why did not Allah do that, in His Divine wisdom. Because today we have came to know that besides - the Ozonosphere… the layer above the earth - Besides returning back rain, it even returns back other beneficial matter and energy of the Earth, which is required by the human beings. It does not only return back rain - Today we have come to know, it even returns back waves of Telecommunication, of Television, of Radio, by which we can see TV, we can communicate, we can hear the radio. And besides that, it even returns back the harmful rays of the outer space, back on the other side, and absorbs. For example the sun light… the ultraviolet rays of the Sun light is absorbed by the Ionosphere. If this was not done, life on the Earth would have ceased to exist. So Allah Subhanawataala is far superior and for more accurate, when He says…. (Arabic)…. By the capacity of the Heaven to return.’ And the remaining things as he mentioned is there in the Qur’an - You can refer to my Videocassette. The Qur’an describes the ‘Water cycle’ in great detail.
(Ali Sina) Wow! What a great logic. Why the Quran does not talk about the stage of evaporation? …Because Ozonosphere returns other beneficial matters such as radio waves too. That is why!
Instead of answering the question, Dr. Naik tries to distract his audience by talking about red herring and by introducing non sequitor arguments.
But wait a minute! Didn't Dr. Naik say that "the Firmament which returns" is about the capacity of heavens to return back rain? Obviously Dr. Naik could not even convince himself. After assuring us that "almost all the commentaries of the Qur’an - they said, that this Verse of Surah Tariq, Ch. No. 86, Verse No. 11, refers to the capacity of the heavens to return back rain - meaning ‘Evaporation’", he goes on to give us the reason why Allah did not mention this stage in the Quran. Come on Doctor! Don't make this too easy for me.
My Response:
Quran mentions the stage of evaporation in this verse. But since Quran is superior to science. It goes beyond that. If the Quran mentioned specifically then it would only mean returning of rain. Rain is not the only thing which the ozonosphere returns. Quran is more scientific!! For more on the returning sky
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_22.html
Ali Sina Writes:
(Dr. Naik) Regarding what he said about the Bible, he showed stage 1 and stage 3 in the first slide, and in the second stage 1, 3, and then 2. ‘That the rain water is taken up’… he says… ‘and then the rain water comes down on the Earth.’ This is the philosophy of Phasofmillitas, in 7th century BC. He thought that the spray of the ocean was picked up by the wind, and send to the interior as rain. There is no cloud mentioned there. In the second quotation Dr. William Campbell gave - First is, according to him, ‘evaporation’ which we agree. We don’t mind having the concordance approach with the Bible. ‘…Then rain falls down, and then are the clouds formed.’ - That is not the complete water cycle. Alhamdulillah, the Qur’an describes the water cycle in great detail, in several places. How does the water rise, evaporates, forms into clouds - the clouds join together, they stalk up, there is thunder and lightning, water comes down, the clouds move into the interior, they fall down as rain, and the evaporation of the water table and Alhamdulillah in great detail. The Qur’an speaks about the water cycle in great detail, in several places. In Surah Nur, Ch. No. 24, Verse No. 43, in Surah Rum, Ch. No. 30, Verse 48, in Surah Al-Zumar, Ch. 39, Verse 21, in Surah Muminun, Ch. 23, Verse 18, in Surah Rum Ch. No. 30, Verse No. 24, in Surah Al-Hijr, Ch. 15, Verse No. 22, in Surah Araf Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 57, in Surah Rad, Ch. No. 13, Verse No. 17, in Surah Furqan, Ch. 25, Verse No. 48 and 49, in Surah Fatir, Ch. No. 35, Verse No. 9, in Surah Yasin, Ch. 36, Verse No. 34, in Surah Jathiya, Ch. 45, Verse No. 5, in Surah Qaf, Ch. No. 50, Verse No. 9, in Surah Al-Waqiah, Ch. No. 56, Verse No. 68 and 70, in several places, Surah Al-Mulk,Ch. 67, Verse No. 30, the Glorious Qur’an speaks about the ‘Water cycle’, in great detail.
(Ali Sina) Here is where Dr. Naik outperformed himself. His Muslim audience became ecstatic and started applauding and cheering as if he was a pop singer performing their favorite number. He said all those verses from memory, like pulling one rabbit after another out his had. Impressive indeed. Let us quote these verses and see if there is anything miraculous in them. While you are reading, note how often Muhammad forgets that the Quran is supposed to be the word of Allah and Allah should not refer to himself in third person.
My Response:
Dr.Zakir Naik did not have enough time to explain them. Therefore, to cut short he only gave references. Muslim audience had every right to be ecstatic because Dr.Zakir Naik was convincingly refuting the falsehood promoted by Dr.William Campbell. The answer to the shift from first to third person etc. is here
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Grammar/robinson.html
Ali Sina then goes on to quote all the verses and says that it is only observable phenomenon. He doesn't realize that Quran is 1400 years old. Today it seems to be observable phenomenon to us because all the data on the subject is with us. Water Cycle seems to be an observable phenomenon.
In the words of Ali Sina "What the Quran describes has been observable by any primitive man since eons."
If Water Cycle is an observable phenomenon then why is it considered only a recent discovery of about 500-600 years old? Why isn't it considered simply to be an observable phenomenon? Why is taught to children in school?? Dr.Maurice Bucaille knew that there would be people like Ali Sina who will think that water cycle is merely an observable phenomenon. Moreover, what the Quran mentions is not simply an observable phenomenon. I'll just provide one example here.
" And He sends down from the sky mountain masses (of clouds) wherein is hail:" (Quran 24:43)
Now if you are traveling by an aeroplane and when the aeroplane goes above the clouds. One can see that clouds appear like mountain masses. I myself have witnessed it. On which aeroplane did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) go to check this??
How come Ali Sina missed out this verse?
“And We send the fecundating winds, then cause the rain to descend from the sky, therewith providing you with water (in abundance), though ye are not the guardians of its stores.” (15:22)
Dr.Maurice Bucaille writes:
"When the verses of Quran concerning the role of water in man's existence are read in succession today, they all appear to us to express ideas that are quite obvious. The reason for this is simple: in our day and age, we all, to a lesser or greater extent, know about the water cycle in nature.
If However, we consider the various concepts the ancients had on this subject, it becomes clear that the data in the Quran do not embody the mythical concepts current at the time of the Revelation which had been developed more according to philosophical speculation than observed phenomenon. Although it was empirically possible to acquire on a modest scale, the useful practical knowledge necessary for the improvement of the irrigation, the concepts held on the water cycle in general would hardly be acceptable today."
Note: Ali Sina also accuses Dr.Maurice Bucaille and Professor Keith Moore of fooling the people. I'll come to that later.
Do Mountains Stabilize the Earth
Dr.Zakir Naik in his talk provided the source. He said that Dr.Frank Press said that mountains give stability to the earth and he asked Dr.William Campbell to prove on the contrary. Get any documented proof which says on the contrary.
Ali Sina Writes:
(Dr. Naik) I have not come across a single Geological book, and I challenge Dr. William Campbell to produce a single Geological book - Not his personal correspondence with the Geologist. That does not carry weight. His personal correspondence with Dr. Keith Moore …. Documented proof. And if you read the book ‘The Earth’ which is referred by almost all the universities, in the field of Geology, one of its authors by the name of Dr Frank Press, who was the advisor to the former president of USA, Jimmy Carter, and was the president of the Academy of Science of USA. He writes in his book that…‘The mountains are wedge shaped - It has deep roots within. And he says that…‘The function of the mountain is to stabilize the earth.’ And the Qur’an says in Surah Ambiya, Ch. No 21, Verse No. 31, in Surah Luqman, Ch. No. 31 Verse No.10, as well as in Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16, Verse No. 15, that…‘We have made the mountains standing firm on the Earth, lest it would shake with them and with you.’
(Ali Sina) I tried to contact Dr. Frank Press and wrote to two sites that had written about him asking to please put me in touch with him. Neither of them responded. I am not willing to buy his book Earth that costs $95.95 dollars just to verify this claim. However I doubt Dr. Press could have said such an absurd thing. Muslims are good in twisting things to make them look something else. I believe Dr. Naik has got this false information form Another Islamic site islam-guide.com that says: "A book entitled Earth is a basic reference textbook in many universities around the world. One of its two authors is Professor Emeritus Frank Press. He was the Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter, and for 12 years was the President of the National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC. His book says that mountains have underlying roots. [Earth, Press and Siever, p. 435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 157.] These roots are deeply embedded in the ground, thus, mountains have a shape like a peg
My Response:
Does Dr.Frank Press really have time to contact every Tom,Dick and Harry?? Does he have time to contact people like Ali Sina who hide behind the internet like cowards? Ali Sina hides behind the internet, writes, and thinks that he is a genius.
How can Ali Sina simply accuse someone with mere assumptions?? He is firstly not willing to buy the book. Then he is accusing Dr.Naik of copying from this site. Dr.Naik said the same thing much earlier than this debate. He said so also in his talk "Quran and Modern Science - Conflict or conciliation” in 1996 and he had delivered talks on the same subjects before also. It reads on the site
"A book entitled Earth is a basic reference textbook in many universities around the world. One of its two authors is Professor Emeritus Frank Press. He was the Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter, and for 12 years was the President of the National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC. His book says that mountains have underlying roots.1 These roots are deeply embedded in the ground, thus, mountains have a shape like a peg (see figures 7, 8, and 9)."
When Ali Sina quotes this site. He removed the reference to the footnotes. The site further provides us with 3 pictures and Ali Sina on it writes:
“These pictures have nothing to do with science. They are just more Islamic lies. These are taken from The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran a book written by a Muslims El-Naggar and falsely attributed to Dr. Press.” Source:
May I know where these people attributed the photos taken to Dr.Frank Press?? They even provide the source of it. Here are the 3 sources mentioned on the same site of pictures 1,2 and 3 respectively.
"Figure 7: Mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground. (Earth, Press and Siever, p. 413.)"
"Figure 8: Schematic section. The mountains, like pegs, have deep roots embedded in the ground. (Anatomy of the Earth, Cailleux, p. 220.) "
"Figure 9: Another illustration shows how the mountains are peg-like in shape, due to their deep roots. (Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 158.)"
See how Ali Sina lies. He thinks that people will simply believe him without verifying.
Further, Ali Sina doesn't agree with the verses of the Quran 16:15,21:31. And he starts giving his scientific explanation. Wait a minute, Where is the source of all his wishful explanations?? Dr.Zakir Naik atleast gave the source. He quoted a non-Muslim scientist Dr.Frank Press, who has no reason to favour the Quran. Nor did he write the book to bring a compability between the Quran and Science.
Ali Sina writes:
(Dr. Naik) And in reply to the statement…‘That if mountains prevent earthquakes, how come you find earthquakes in mountainous regions?’ The reply is, that - If I say that medical doctors, they prevent the sickness and disease in a human being, and if someone argues…‘If doctors prevent the sickness and diseases in a human being, how come you find more sick people in the hospitals, where there are more doctors than at home - where there are no doctors.’
(Ali Sina) What a ridiculous analogy! Patients go to hospitals AFTER they get sick because they are living and thinking beings and that is where they can get medical attention and get better. They do not become sick in hospitals (unless the hospital is in an Islamic country with Islamic hygiene). Is Dr. Naik trying to compare earthquake, a natural phenomenon, to humans? Do the earthquakes happen first elsewhere and then decide to conglomerate in mountains? This analogy is utterly ridiculous; yet Dr. Naik’s Muslim audience became so elated that they spontaneously cheered and applauded. One black guy was almost falling off his chair of excessive laughing. What these people were laughing at? At their own stupidity? Now the world can see them and laugh at them. It’s as if the more stupid is a statement, the more Muslims enjoy it. This reveals the deplorable intellectual bankruptcy of the wretched Umma.
My Response:
Dr.Zakir Naik clearly explained the verses of the Quran. He said this just as a joke and to expose the poor reasoning of Dr.William Campbell. Dr.Zakir Naik explained it very well. Muslim audience cheered because Islam was being defended and lies of Dr.William Campbell were being exposed. They have every right to be. Islam is criticized a lot in Western countries. If someone defends it then Muslims have all rights to cheer and applaud. See How Ali Sina in the ends throws insult at the entire ummah (community) of the Muslims. His foul-mouth never ends.
More insults in the next paragraph
Ali Sina Writes:
Believe me, absurd thinking is the trait of Muslims. Sometime ago I read an essay about a Muslim child asking his religious teacher that the Quran says Jinns will be sent to hell to be punished but the the Quran also says that Jinns are made of fire, so how fire can be hurt by fire? The teacher slapped the child and asked him if it hurts? The poor lad responded yes, with tears in his eyes. "Like that!", responded the teacher. "My hand is flesh and your face is flesh but it still hurts". Foolish Muslims think this is such a great reasoning. This is the fallacy of wrong analogy. But the Muslim brain is not equipped with enough rationality to think deep. He WANTS to believe and any nonsense will do. There are several sites that have written against me. I receive numerous emails from Muslims who have neither read my articles nor those written by Muslims trying to refute me. And yet these people tell me that I have already been refuted and give me links to the same silly sites. They WANT to believe that I am refuted. They will believe anyone who claims he has refuted me without searching the truth of that claim. The Muslim mind works in bizarre ways.
My Response:
More foul-mouth from Ali Sina.
I put the link above of brother Umar's article which exposes his insults and foul-mouth. I request brother Umer to add these as well.
Oceanology of the Quran,
Ali Sina writes (In response to Dr.Naik)
(Ali Sina) If the separation of sweet and salt waters is an observable phenomenon, as it seems that everyone agrees, then how could no one know about it until "the advancement of oceanology" made its knowledge possible? What Muhammad is referring to is precisely that and nothing more. There is no “invisible barrier” between two waters, which is “forbidden to be trespassed”. There is no barrier of any kind - no barzakh at all between waters. Waters don’t mix immediately because of different temperature and density but they eventually do, just like when you pour cream in a cup of coffee. It takes time to mix; that is why you stir it. Those who saw this phenomenon must have relayed their observation to others using figurative speech saying waters don’t mix AS IF there is an invisible barrier between them. Our ignorant Muhammad took this literally and claimed there is an “invisible barrier” between them, which is “forbidden to be trespassed”. Nothing can be further from the truth. All waters mix and there is no barrier, invisible or otherwise between them. When two rivers, carrying sediments of different colors meet, or when sweet water coming from rivers flows into the blue salty water of the sea, one can see the line of demarcation sometimes stretching for miles until they gradually blend. Where the waters merge, i.e. what Dr. Naik refers to as the “slanting homogenizing area”, is not a “barrier”. It is the opposite of it. There the waters are not forbidden to trespass but actually merge.
It is amazing that Muslims emphasize on the flagrant errors of the Quran as its miracles. Who would buy this nonsense except a totally ignorant person?
My Response:
Wait a minute, Where is the source of all this?? Dr.Zakir Naik atleast quoted one scientist Dr.Hay.
The same site which Ali Sina accused Dr.Naik of copying from explains this as well. It also gives the reference to the book on oceanology written by Non-Muslim scientists.
http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-b.htm
Is Islam for All Mankind?
Ali Sina writes:
(Dr. Naik) As far as this statement of his is concerned, regarding the Bible, I do agree with it totally - Because the Bible was only meant for the children of Israel , for that time. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Ch. No. 10, Verse No. 5 and 6, Jesus Christ peace be upon him tells his disciples… ‘Go ye not in the way of the Gentiles.’ Who are the Gentiles? The Non-Jews, the Hindus, the Muslims. ‘But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel .’ Jesus Christ peace be upon him said in the Gospel of Mathew, Ch. No. 15, Verse No. 24… ‘I am not sent, but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel .’ So Jesus Christ and the Bible were only meant for the children of Isreal. Since it was meant for them, to analyze the Bible, you have to use the meaning of the word, which was utilized at that time. But the Qur’an was not meant only for the Arabs of that time. Qur’an is not meant only for the Muslims. The Qur’an is meant for the whole of humanity, and it is meant to be for eternity.
(Ali Sina) Here again the Muslim audience broke in applause and the sign of joy was visible from their countenance. To them it was victory after victory. However, had Dr. Naik told them that the Quran says that Muhammad has come only for the Meccans alone and the people around it they would not have rejoiced that much.
006.092 And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the mother of cities and all around her.
The mother of cities, Umul Qura, is Mecca. The same thing is confirmed in verse:
042.007 Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Qur’an: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities and all around her.
In other places Allah says to Muhammad that he has come for the people who did not receive guidance yet.
032.003 “Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance.”
036.006 In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of Allah).
My Response:
Ali Sina here again quotes the verses and mispresents them. Both the verses 6:92 and 42:7 say "Mother of cities and All Around her"
ALL around her means the full world. Mecca is the centre of the world and ALL around it is the full world. The verses of the Quran do not prove that Islam is only for Arabs Alone.
And in other two verses Allah is saying that he has sent Muhammad (pbuh) to admonish the people to whom no guidance has come before. Does it say that "admonish only those people to whom no Warner had been sent"?? Definitely not !!! Allah (SWT) sends his final messenger which is for the whole of humanity from those people to whom a messenger had not been sent before.
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HinduFanatic Monday, March 12, 2007 2:55:52 PM
Hey Kid, Go appear in ur MADARSA exam. U donot have the brains to appear for CBSE exam. U do not even know ur KASHMIR history. What do u know of ur ancestry? Those who run away from their roots r condemned to be on the run. This is what u r. History for u did not exist before 626AD and KASHMIR history for u begins only in 1342AD. Do u know, Kid, What had happened before this? Go study some good stuff and not what ALI SINA Or Dr Zakir NAIK r saying.
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